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aklim · #76 04-30-2014, 11:38 PM

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I like the way you think.

Like manufacturing, you get too expensive and we farm it out to a cheaper labor source. Pink slip for you.

Skid Row Joe · #77 05-01-2014, 12:43 AM

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While I can understand a lot of people not wanting to be the one sanctioned killer, other countries don't seem to have any trouble finding plenty. I'd do the job under the right conditions: 1. I get to review the evidence and verify to my satisfaction that the perp is guilty and the sentence is appropriate. 2. Adequate compensation. It's a long ride out to Lovelock where the state of Nevada does its executions. They'd need to pay enough to make it worth my while to go all the way out there and maybe have to take a day off from my regular job.

Absolutely. I'd consider it a privilege and just duty to be responsible in ridding the State of murderers. Thanks be to God we have the death penalty Law in many States.... It deters some of the scum - but not all of 'em....

w123fanman · #78 05-01-2014, 01:23 AM

Reasonable doubt should be much stricter. Seems like in some cases it is completely ignored. I think if there is any doubt what-so-ever then the death penalty or any penalty should not be allowed until that doubt is erased. Detectives are going to have to work their arses off to find as much evidence as possible.

I don't know what to think about the death penalty. Sometimes I feel that is the best option especially if the crime was especially heinous, but although I feel maybe they should suffer, I say we must follow the Constitution. I also see what countries like Norway do for "punishment" for criminals and supposedly that has a very high success rate, much lower percentage of repeat offenders than here.

I agree that we should go with the cheapest method if it must be done, but also take out the human factor, or what was said before, have another death row inmate do it. It could perhaps be automated or maybe made more entertaining (for some) at the same time by having the inmate sit in a chair with a gun to his head while having to play a game like Flappy Bird and die when the bird dies so in the end the inmate is responsible for his or her own death. I would say that it if the death penalty must be used at a deterrent, public executions would be most effective.

To me the death penalty is too complicated an issue for me to say whether or not I support it.

greazzer · #79 05-01-2014, 07:18 AM

The title of the thread is "Botched Execution in Oklahoma" ... IMO it is a misnomer. It should or could say "Moderately Successful Execution in Oklahoma". It was successful in that Lockett's heart stopped beating. It was also moderate in that Lockett's pain and suffering was pretty quick and very minimal. Perhaps long, drawn out pain and suffering would or could be a measure of success as well ?

tjts1 · #80 05-01-2014, 08:04 AM

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Absolutely. I'd consider it a privilege and just duty to be responsible in ridding the State of murderers. Thanks be to God we have the death penalty Law in many States.... It deters some of the scum - but not all of 'em....

Who should our lord and savior the baby jezus kill if he was 96% sure he got the right guy?

tjts1 · #81 05-01-2014, 08:12 AM

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I also wonder if the "4% error rate" is really accurate. I know the clever slippery slope arguements are forthcoming by the intellectual elite and the "just one person receiving capital punishment who was wrongfully convicted" is the breaking point for any death sentence advocate. Really? Does that argument hold water for jails and prisons since I am pretty sure there's at least one person not guilty sitting in a cell? I know ... it's the "finality" and irreversible consequences of the death penality. Guess what? Those victims have finality and the consequences are irreversible also. Then the same group want to re-argue that so, so many of those on death row are "innocent." Really ? That many? Death row is reserved for the worst of the worst. From what I could glean, a vast, vast majority have evidence against them above and beyond a "reasonable doubt" or any doubt whatsoever. Why is MSNBC and others not talking about the victim, the girl who was shot and buried alive ? Why the "sympathy" for a killer ? Can you really compare his 30-some minutes of "anguish" as the media is now calling it and weigh that against what that girl endured right before her heart stopped beating and the family's daily reminder that their little girl is no longer here. I am at least happy for the family that Lockett is dead and the family got word that Lockett suffered a tiny, tiny amount before he died. Too bad Lockett did not suffer a great deal before his heart stopped beating.

Credit where credit is due, at least one man death penalty supporter here has the testicular fortitude to consider the fact that innocent people are sitting on death row today, rather than stick his fingers in his ears and mumble "la la la" to himself like all the others.

Txjake · #82 05-01-2014, 09:45 AM

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Who should our lord and savior the baby jezus kill if he was 96% sure he got the right guy?

I am not conventionally religious, but don't be an *******. If you don't have a cogent argument, mocking beliefs just makes you look like an idiot...

P.C. · #83 05-01-2014, 09:46 AM

So when do you think that the wrongful death lawsuit will be filed?

greazzer · #84 05-01-2014, 09:48 AM

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Credit where credit is due, at least one man death penalty supporter here has the testicular fortitude to consider the fact that innocent people are sitting on death row today, rather than stick his fingers in his ears and mumble "la la la" to himself like all the others.

Of course there is probably at least one or a chance of at least one. Is the system absolutely perfect all the time? Unlikely. There's always at least one of everything ...

BUT, and the big but ... are there so many death row inmate(s) which are really wrongfully convicted of a capital offense ?

greazzer · #85 05-01-2014, 10:06 AM

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So when do you think that the wrongful death lawsuit will be filed?

Why would the victim's family file a wrongful death suit ? Why would a vast, vast majority of victim's families file any wrongful death suits? The killers are most likely nothing but parasites on our society and their departures are less mouths to feed.

MTI · #86 05-01-2014, 10:19 AM

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Why is MSNBC and others not talking about the victim, the girl who was shot and buried alive ? Why the "sympathy" for a killer ? Can you really compare his 30-some minutes of "anguish" as the media is now calling it and weigh that against what that girl endured right before her heart stopped beating and the family's daily reminder that their little girl is no longer here. I am at least happy for the family that Lockett is dead and the family got word that Lockett suffered a tiny, tiny amount before he died. Too bad Lockett did not suffer a great deal before his heart stopped beating.

False comparison. No media outlet made the condemned a sympathetic figure, rather it was the failure of the state to carry out it's duty to execute a condemned prisoner lawfully and within the bounds of our Constitution. I would fully expect to learn of that from the news media, so that the public can be made aware of such government mistakes.

Further, are you suggesting that there was no news coverage of the crime, the investigation or trial of the victim? Pretty sure there was news coverage galore. So, what exactly was fault of the news media?

P.C. · #87 05-01-2014, 10:31 AM

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Why would the victim's family file a wrongful death suit ? Why would a vast, vast majority of victim's families file any wrongful death suits? The killers are most likely nothing but parasites on our society and their departures are less mouths to feed.

As I think that you realize, I am inquiring about the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit regarding the inmate whose life was taken in a negligent manner.

Idle · #88 05-01-2014, 10:45 AM

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False comparison. No media outlet made the condemned a sympathetic figure, rather it was the failure of the state to carry out it's duty to execute a condemned prisoner lawfully and within the bounds of our Constitution. I would fully expect to learn of that from the news media, so that the public can be made aware of such government mistakes.

Further, are you suggesting that there was no news coverage of the crime, the investigation or trial of the victim? Pretty sure there was news coverage galore. So, what exactly was fault of the news media?

The story about the murder and the trial were covered here in Oklahoma in depth.

If there is one thing everyone here in Oklahoma agrees on is that the guy deserved the death sentence. Something that people here don't agree on is was the way he was executed legal? There is a great deal of evidence that it was not.

The state has laws about how this is to be done and from what I am hearing a lot of these laws were ignored. For people that think this is great the question is then what other laws do you think the state should ignore?

Should the state call upon the IRS to spy on your group? That would be ignoring the law so are they good with that?

Idle · #89 05-01-2014, 10:50 AM

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Why would the victim's family file a wrongful death suit ? Why would a vast, vast majority of victim's families file any wrongful death suits? The killers are most likely nothing but parasites on our society and their departures are less mouths to feed.

You are confusing several sets of facts.

The biggest confusion is between the state acting in a legal manner or not. If laws are on the books about how the state can execute someone and those laws are broken then the facts will bear this out.

If we are good with the state just hauling off and killing people in any way they find fit then why not hunt the condemned for sport? This is one of the punishments the British King enjoyed handing out and is one of the reason our Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

Idle · #90 05-01-2014, 10:52 AM

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Here's a picture of the killer.

Here's a picture of the victim. That is, the person which Clayton Darrell Lockett killed. This poor girl was shot and buried alive. The "girl" is named Stephanie Nieman. Her family still grieves to this day. Little news in the media about the victim and her family. Lot's of wasted time and energy over this vicious murderer and what he and others did to ruin this girl's life and the family's life too. Here's the family statement.

THE STATEMENT OF SUSIE AND STEVE NEIMAN

God blessed us with our precious daughter, Stephanie for 19 years. Stephanie loved children.

She worked in Vacation Bible School and always helped with our Church nativity scenes. She was the joy of our life. We are thankful this day has finally arrived and justice will finally be served.

Susie and Steve Neiman, 4-29-14

Personally, I wonder what type of person could have any sympathy for Lockett and simply disregard the victim. She's dead. She did nothing to deserve this. Lockett got exactly what he deserved. Simply amazing some of the views held by some.

Someone has sympathy for Lockett? Where did you ever get such a silly notion?

Oh, right. From the right-wing press that wants to make us all feel good about how the Republicans fouled this up from the word go.