WTF?? My postal carrier is stealing from me. - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Can't Know · #46 06-12-2014, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

No I do not see the evidence as circumstantial. He will have to produce the source of the product and proof he purchased it there. The flavor in the bottles will be another important piece of evidence. The owner can identify it. . If he refuses to produce them upon employer demand is another issue.

The odds of the owner of the product being at the same place and with usable video coverage occurring where pretty thin but it occurred.

Except that this isn't a trial. He doesn't have any burden of proof. Under normal union rules, they'll notify him and he'll come to a meeting with a union rep. He'll spout his story, the rep will back him and that will most likely be the end of it.

barry12345 · #47 06-12-2014, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know

Except that this isn't a trial. He doesn't have any burden of proof. Under normal union rules, they'll notify him and he'll come to a meeting with a union rep. He'll spout his story, the rep will back him and that will most likely be the end of it.

Sad if it works out that way. There is rumoured or appears to be a lot of theft in the mail services. Far too many parcels seem to get lost.

Canada has initiated tracking on all parcels in the last couple of years. The postage rates are now very high as well. I suspect this type of thing is why.

Dudesky · #48 06-13-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

No I do not see the evidence as circumstantial. He will have to produce the source of the product and proof he purchased it there. The flavor in the bottles will be another important piece of evidence. The owner can identify it. . If he refuses to produce them upon employer demand is another issue.

The odds of the owner of the product being at the same place and with usable video coverage occurring where pretty thin but it occurred.

You might want to consider buying a lotto ticket this week if you normally do not. Remember if it comes in five percent would help me out.

If not you can put me on your **** list.

You overlook the fact that the only two bottles delivered in Pennsylvania were in possession of the USPS employee fencing them at the vape shop who also just happened to be the guy whose route was set up for delivery.....

Angel · #49 06-13-2014, 07:50 AM

Did anyone else see where ElChivito and JPlinville agree on something ?

(this makes up for the WWII threads

-John

jplinville · #50 06-13-2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

You overlook the fact that the only two bottles delivered in Pennsylvania were in possession of the USPS employee fencing them at the vape shop who also just happened to be the guy whose route was set up for delivery.....

Hold on...he wasn't trying to fence them, he was showing the shops owner the juice.

It's common for vapers to ask each other what flavor they are vaping on, and usually someone will produce a bottle of their liquid to show off, and share if someone was interested enough in it. This is customary due to not having any other way to sample unless you find a shop that carries that particular juice.

elchivito · #51 06-13-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Did anyone else see where ElChivito and JPlinville agree on something ?

(this makes up for the WWII threads

-John

JP and I actually agree on a bunch of things, we just don't always admit it.

BobK · #52 06-13-2014, 09:17 AM

The postmaster will probably get the Postal Inspectors involved. Those guys have a fantastic conviction rate. They are patient and careful about building a case. The thief carrier is in deep trouble.

sloride · #53 06-13-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know

Except that this isn't a trial. He doesn't have any burden of proof. Under normal union rules, they'll notify him and he'll come to a meeting with a union rep. He'll spout his story, the rep will back him and that will most likely be the end of it.

Or if his union rep is really good he will receive a two week suspension with pay of course.

dynalow · #54 06-13-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Thanks!

The theft of the original two bottles has cost the company in shipping the replacements, plus the cost of the replacements, plus it's caused me to put out additional monies to purchase a different product to tide me over until the replacement order gets to me.

Granted, everything is still just under $50, but it's not the cost, it's the principal of the matter.

I really hate thieves.

You did the right thing Jon. "F" the thief. Govt. employees who steal ought to go to jail & lose pensions. USPS or IRS, makes no difference. And there's any number of thieves in the IRS.
OI: Highlights - U.S. Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
USDOJ: US Attorney's Office - EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
I had a credit card replacement stolen in the mail system. Knew nothing about it until I get a credit card bill? Had to be a postal worker, imo.

Side Bar:
Please don't take my remarks about smoking personally. To be clear, IMO, anyone who smokes cigarettes is a loser. The average pack a day smoker burns up the better part of a car payment in a month. A few decades of that and the health issued start appearing. A double whammy for most cigarette smokers. Weed? another story for another time.

I smoked for 30 years or so (15 to 45). I dodged the grim reaper's reach 22 years ago with a quintuple bypass.

If E-cigs or variants are free of health risks, have at it. I do have a question about what effects if any inhaling the vapors these products produce. I assume they cause some positive effects, or else why use them?
Any research show negative effects?

JamesDean · #55 06-13-2014, 12:55 PM

Just out of curiosity was this shop from my neck of the woods? (Youngstown, Warren area of Ohio) ?

I know theres a few places around here, one that specializes in it I think.

spdrun · #56 06-13-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

Sad if it works out that way. There is rumoured or appears to be a lot of theft in the mail services. Far too many parcels seem to get lost.

Canada has initiated tracking on all parcels in the last couple of years. The postage rates are now very high as well. I suspect this type of thing is why.

Aren't the Canucks ending home delivery of mail in 2016?

jplinville · #57 06-13-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

JP and I actually agree on a bunch of things, we just don't always admit it.

It happens at times...

jplinville · #58 06-13-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dynalow

Side Bar:
Please don't take my remarks about smoking personally. To be clear, IMO, anyone who smokes cigarettes is a loser. The average pack a day smoker burns up the better part of a car payment in a month. A few decades of that and the health issued start appearing. A double whammy for most cigarette smokers. Weed? another story for another time.

I smoked for 30 years or so (15 to 45). I dodged the grim reaper's reach 22 years ago with a quintuple bypass.

If E-cigs or variants are free of health risks, have at it. I do have a question about what effects if any inhaling the vapors these products produce. I assume they cause some positive effects, or else why use them?
Any research show negative effects?

Forgive me if my response post yesterday seemed a bit snarky...I've been forced to justify myself on this decision more times that I care to admit to some idiotic family members...My brother can be a real PITA.

There are a number of studies that are out, that show the positive effects of vaping versus smoking. Following the links I provided earlier in the thread will show the studies and their results.

The ingredients of the juice are as follows...

Vegetable Glycerin (aka VG) Used in smog machines
Propylene Glycol (aka PG) Used in asthmatic inhalers
Nicotine Nicotine has never been proven addictive to humans, cigarettes have.
Flavoring or flavor extracts. Found in multiple items you consume daily.

Those same ingredients, plus more, is in Nicotrol, a smoking cessation inhaler.

The biggest opponents of e-cigs, those that testify against their use, are funded largely in part by Big Tobacco. BT views this as a massive cut in their profits, and will do anything to stop it. The government is also against it because under current laws, they cannot be taxed as tobacco items, since there is no tobacco in it.

I get a bit passionate about this since I've been able to quit smoking because of it.

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

Just out of curiosity was this shop from my neck of the woods? (Youngstown, Warren area of Ohio) ?

I know theres a few places around here, one that specializes in it I think.

No. The company is in Miamisburg, just south of Dayton. The majority of her customer base is from those small smoke shops that litter the area.

Dudesky · #59 06-13-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Hold on...he wasn't trying to fence them, he was showing the shops owner the juice.

It's common for vapers to ask each other what flavor they are vaping on, and usually someone will produce a bottle of their liquid to show off, and share if someone was interested enough in it. This is customary due to not having any other way to sample unless you find a shop that carries that particular juice.

So you saying he is a vaper? And was stealing for personal use?

Camels? My Dad went to a doctor and told him he smoked Camels.....the doctor was very surprised.......he told Dad most of his clients who smoked Camels were long dead.

jplinville · #60 06-13-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

So you saying he is a vaper? And was stealing for personal use?

Bingo!!