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Errr flywheel alert!
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However, thats still a pretty good deal. Flywheel alone is usually 50-100 bucks from yards.
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They are available from MB, so not too rare.
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...especially for someone who wants a manual in their OM616... How about adapting these lighter flywheels to be as heavy as the rare one? All I'm thinking is that if they are so expensive and rare in the US why not add weight and re-balance? Would that push the cost past the cost of the real thing? (I guess here they'd want at least 3000 Euros for something like that - but in a country with more sensible labour rates...)
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FW is $600.
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it will go round and round and finally end on a BMW type getrag 265, the shifter is similar to the MB, the drive output is identical, all you gotta do is modify the bell and throwout, or cast a new bell. the 265's are on the bay all the time for $300, and I see them in the yards about 6-10 units a year. It was used in AMG's of the same vintage as our cars. if there was enough interest a cast bell could be viable around $400-600 but it would take a larger commitment of buyers to make it worth while. it would be a much better solution than an adapter to another makers trans and probable still way better than the adapte to the later MB 5spd. pony up 25 guys who will front the cash and we can get the ball rolling
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I was thinking the same thing. Did a little research just now and I can't seem to come up with any 5 speeds that have external shift linkages. lots of 4 speeds... It seems to me that that auto industry switched to internal shift linkages as the same time they introduced 5 speeds.
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1. Many folks say the Getrag 717.400 is common enough to just go out and buy one. However, looking at the threads over the years, folks are actively searching for one for extended periods of time. Thus, what is a rough guess as to the universal supply & demand? 2. Is this really as simple as casting a new bell housing? If so, need one really good bell housing to make the mold. Although the first one would be pricy, making 100+ would probably cost about $200.00. So, amortorizing the costs still make this a cheap solution for a 5 speed. That is why I ask the universal supply and demand question since this will drive the price. The more produce drives the first unit costs down over the production. Is it just the bell housing ? Who will donate one for the mold ? Overall, GREAT idea |
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I will try to hunt up a picture, but I will try to describe why I say it is similar. The BMW transmission has a single rod sticking out the back above the output. this connects with a compliant joint to a shaft which then connects to a shfter that is mounted to the tunnel and a simple bracket. you can place the shifter 6 inches or 6 feet behind the transmission by simply adjusting the length of that one rod and the bracket heres a link for a picture http://www.firstfives.org/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=2295
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Subbed, great thread, very interested
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$10K ? Having never made one of these, this may seem out of line, but one can get an aluminum head for way under that, under $1,000 and that is for a production run under 10 where the universal supply and demand is incredibly limited. My guess is that a head is much more complicated than a bell housing. Assuming the costs are much lower, is there anyone out there able to advise if the bell housing is the major factor / major part?
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