My father friend had a Toyota Camrey (a 98 model year) with 298K on it. Yes 298 K.....the car was a company car and salesmen drove it. Despite the milage the car was new, and the interior was in great shape etc. Milage cannot judge a car, its years of service do. You're Benz served for 14 years, the Lexus for only 7 years.

with a clear non-pesimistic mind, I have come to the following conclusion. when Chryslers are going to use M-B parts, that will only increase Chrysler quality, not will not hamper M-B qulality. I sure do hope the new E-Class coming out is of higher quality though.

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"Damn the torpedos, four bells full speed ahead"
-Admiral Farragut




-1987 300E Smoke Silver
-1997 S320 Black on Black
-Soon To be E55 AMG
-27 foot Grady White Offshore Sportfish.

And far away, the toning of the iron bell,
Draws the faithful to their knees,
to hear the softly spoken magic spell…

The only person or entity that you hurt by not buying a Mercedes is yourself. I find your comments to be short-sighted, bigoted, prejudicial, and lacking in any factual reference.

Old Native American Proverb: Do not judge another until you have walked many miles in their mocassins. Or driven many miles in their Mercedes...

And if you don't mind me asking, why, if you don't own a Mercedes, are you on these forums in the first place?

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Scott Longston
Northern California Wine Country...
"Turbos whistle, grapes wine..."

Having owned many of both I am here to say a guy is lucky to drive either. I love my ol' wagon I am buying a new one this week or an ML. I would get a new IS 300 but family issues make that not to practical. MB and Lexus dollar for dollar can take the Pepsi challenge to any other make and be the top two. thats my rant time for Sopranos.

Well, I sometimes wish I was a rich man when I go back and look at all the wonderful models Mercedes has made. I think I would have at least a 10 car garage ! Alas, I drive a 13 year old 300E because I like the overall style of the car. Mercedes speak quality because they are the official makers of the first car. There is, in my opinion, an undeniable feel of quality about the car. This feel speaks exquisiteness, and pride in a car that has been around so long. I think this definitely speaks a great deal about the driver. I have nothing against Lexus, or their owners. I only hope that present day MB's will carry on the quality and fineness regardless of competition.

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Robert Davis

Wow, for those doubters who disbelieve in resurrection, look what Robert has wrought!

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Ed "Don't Benz's just feel better..."

Current wives...
2000 ML430 Skyview "The Mel"
2000 CLK430 Cab "The Cab"
85 300D Turbo "The Diesel"

Past wives...
92 300E
85 190E

"One should as a rule respect public opinion in so far as is necessary to
avoid starvation and to keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond
this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny, and is likely to
interfere with happiness in all kinds of ways."
Bertrand Russell

Remember the Datsun slogan:
Drive a datsun and then decide.

Well drive an MB then decide. Ride both makes (comparative) and then get the one that feels right.

For me the MB just does it. Rode in a 430 and then a comparable S and the S felt sooo much better (Company leases same allowance!) Both rides were over the same basic roads most of the way. Frankly I wouldn't turn down a Lex but if I am buying or have a choice, its an MB!

Personally I'd love to have seen the Citroen (sp) make it big in this market back in the 60s and 70s onwards. Man they are some great cars, I kinda have a weak spot for the Cetroens (Love the Dsl, suspension, shape, interior and the performance was not too shabby either). To keep the rust off and the things working right well ow you say BIG MULA and PARKIT time. Enter the MB.

ave a great day

Yeah, but what do you really think??? Don't sugar coat it, we can take it!!

Then why are you here?

Driving a Lexus involves about as much thrill and personality as using a washing machine. It does the job it's built for, but nothing more. It's a Toyota playing "dress-up", trying to look like it's in the same league as a Mercedes.

Mike

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1979 300 SD
350,000 miles
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1982 300D-gone---sold to a buddy
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1985 300TD
270,000 miles
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1994 E320
not my favorite, but the wife wanted it

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ever do any diy on a Toyota?????
William Rogers........

Over the years with inflation and everything mercedes have kept their cars about the same price, however lexus, etc have dramatically increased their prices. So you cant really compair them anymore because if mercedes raised their prices as much as lexus respectively you would be into Maybach cars by now.

There is just something about looking up at the window glass in your lexus and seeing toyota. Man that would really piss me off.

I like to get in my mercedes and see Sigla then Mercedes star, or Sekurit and then the mercedes star, it makes me feel at home.

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Current Stable:
1994 S500 v140, 210k miles, white with grey.

Former Mercedes in the Stable:
1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold (rumor has it, that it has 750k miles on it now)
1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold
1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold
1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold
1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold
1986 "300E" Amg Hammer 88k mi sold (it was really a 200, not even an E (124.020)
1992 500E 156k mi sold
etc.

does anyone think that you will see a Lexus at the
Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in say 30 years, 40 years, 50 years?

when I'm in europe i see all these Lexus but they have toyota logo's on them. I wish i could remember. but they are IDENTICAL to the Lexus we have, just with a symbol swap and name swap.

ive also noticed the Lexus here have toyota written in the windows. yea lexus are nice, reliable, and everything but why not just buy a high end toyota for 10's of thousands less if it is the same thing.

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1995 E320 Sportline Wagon "Bernard"
black on black leather

http://i.imgur.com/BdZ7jM3.png

What we seem to get in Europe (or, at least, the UK) is, when a new Lexus comes out, magazines rave about how awesome it is, and teaches Mercedes lessons about this that and the other.

Then, within 6 months, the car seems to be completely forgotten. If it is 'revisited' again, it gets at best lukewarm reviews. It seems they start to see the Lexus for what it is when it's been around a while - which is not crap, but exceedingly bland.


And in Europe, bland just doesn't cut it.

later

Russ



P.S. This all excludes the Lexus SC. This was universally hated right from the beginning.

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

a"toyota by any other name"...........
William Rogers....