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cmac2012 · #1 11-15-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

I don't have to judge "The Movement" by the actions of a few, the movement is inherently violent.

The movement deliberalty breaks laws regarding camping and staying overnight in areas where it is not permitted. The movement put together it's rallies with getting any required permits or paying any of the required fees. The movement deliberately challanges the police to enforce the law while the steadfastly refuse to obey the law. The movement is desperatley hoping they can invoke the police into violence so that they may have their "Kent State" moment. It's inherently violent and the only thing that keeps it peaceful is the police deliberately not enforcing the law. Are we a nation of laws or are we not.

It's a flawed model for a protest or statement to be sure but you seem to be sneering at the fact of poverty. The general health of our society is in part reflected in these things. The healthier a society is, the fewer losers it has.

Chris Bell · #2 11-15-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It's a flawed model for a protest or statement to be sure but you seem to be sneering at the fact of poverty. The general health of our society is in part reflected in these things. The healthier a society is, the fewer losers it has.

I don't see it as a flawed model. It's designed to garner public sympathy. Police are eventually forced to go in and enforce the law, protesters refuse to obey the law and presto lots of good press about the evil police versus the pure in intention protesters fighting for all that is good and pure. This is exactly what the movement is designed to produce and it's working pretty good.

Air&Road · #3 11-16-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

I don't see it as a flawed model. It's designed to garner public sympathy. Police are eventually forced to go in and enforce the law, protesters refuse to obey the law and presto lots of good press about the evil police versus the pure in intention protesters fighting for all that is good and pure. This is exactly what the movement is designed to produce and it's working pretty good.

You write good sense here. Too bad you're wasting it on this group. They'll never understand in a million years. Much too logical for them.

cmac2012 · #4 11-16-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

I don't see it as a flawed model. It's designed to garner public sympathy. Police are eventually forced to go in and enforce the law, protesters refuse to obey the law and presto lots of good press about the evil police versus the pure in intention protesters fighting for all that is good and pure. This is exactly what the movement is designed to produce and it's working pretty good.

S'funny, I'm commonly regarded as a card carrying leftie and I take no pleasure in a lot of the obnoxious rhetoric from the OWS crowd. Some of the ideas and principles are sound but many among the crowd are just opportunists and angry people unable to chart a path forward that might actually do them and the world some good.

I do understand how difficult police work can be, they are often in a no-win situation. If a cop does end up shooting a protester, it will be no cause for celebration with me.

layback40 · #5 11-15-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It's a flawed model for a protest or statement to be sure but you seem to be sneering at the fact of poverty. The general health of our society is in part reflected in these things. The healthier a society is, the fewer losers it has.

The healthier a society is, the more capacity it has to support losers & so the more who choose that way of life. Most of that "rent a mob" choose to be that way. Even if you had full employment they would be there. The love of knocking off "tall poppies" is their motivation. They probably have one or 2 genuine ones in waiting, just in case questions are asked.

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cmac2012 · #6 11-16-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

The healthier a society is, the more capacity it has to support losers & so the more who choose that way of life. Most of that "rent a mob" choose to be that way. Even if you had full employment they would be there. The love of knocking off "tall poppies" is their motivation. They probably have one or 2 genuine ones in waiting, just in case questions are asked.

Ride that hobby horse cowboy.

MTI · #7 11-10-2011, 07:51 PM

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spdrun · #8 11-10-2011, 08:20 PM

Takes time to deposit with a credit union, but depositing with a local bank that doesn't require proof of affiliation is pretty close to instantaneous. Not all small local banks are legally considered credit unions. (Though people may refer to them as such.)

Air&Road · #9 11-12-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

Last week Occupy Oakland trashed a Wells Fargo Bank.
This week they deposited 20k into the same bank.

Occupy Oakland deposits $20,000 with … Wells Fargo | SFGate Blog | an SFGate.com blog

You might want to save your breath in trying to make this very logical point on this forum. I tried pointing out the same thing a few weeks ago and got shouted down for it.

layback40 · #10 11-12-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

You might want to save your breath in trying to make this very logical point on this forum. I tried pointing out the same thing a few weeks ago and got shouted down for it.

There are a few "interesting people" on here Larry.
Best not let common sense & rational thought get in their way.
Just remember, you cant rationalize irrational behavior & Chris & yourself regularly comment on such on OD.
Unfortunately they dont have straight jackets for the internet.
Maybe some are let go home on the week ends.
As far as the demonstrators are concerned I am sure "rent a crowd" aka "the anarchists" are there in significant numbers. We are seeing the same thing in Australia. I believe the police busting up the demonstrators in Melbourne Australia was the first of such in the world. After all they wanted them gone for the queens visit. Seeing their tents & other junk being loaded into rubbish trucks put a smile on many faces.
The lack of conscription & work for the dole means we have many with way to much time on their hands. Unfortunately, a few trouble makers can use these idle individuals in a very anti social way.

PaulC · #11 11-12-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

There are a few "interesting people" on here Larry.
Best not let common sense & rational thought get in their way.
Just remember, you cant rationalize irrational behavior & Chris & yourself regularly comment on such on OD.
Unfortunately they dont have straight jackets for the internet.
Maybe some are let go home on the week ends.
As far as the demonstrators are concerned I am sure "rent a crowd" aka "the anarchists" are there in significant numbers. We are seeing the same thing in Australia. I believe the police busting up the demonstrators in Melbourne Australia was the first of such in the world. After all they wanted them gone for the queens visit. Seeing their tents & other junk being loaded into rubbish trucks put a smile on many faces.
The lack of conscription & work for the dole means we have many with way to much time on their hands. Unfortunately, a few trouble makers can use these idle individuals in a very anti social way.

I'm sure that many on here would consider you one of those "interesting people" if they didn't read your posts.

layback40 · #12 11-12-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

I'm sure that many on here would consider you one of those "interesting" people if they didn't read your posts.

So by not reading some ones posts & not knowing some one, there are members who form opinions about others? A classic example of irrational behavior.
I guess they must form such views telepathically. ~ there I go trying to rationalize as well !!

spdrun · #13 11-12-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

As far as the demonstrators are concerned I am sure "rent a crowd" aka "the anarchists" are there in significant numbers. We are seeing the same thing in Australia. I believe the police busting up the demonstrators in Melbourne Australia was the first of such in the world. After all they wanted them gone for the queens visit.

Who says the government themselves didn't "hire" the anarchists to have an excuse to break up the protests before the queen came? Got to protect the delicate eyes of that inbred old Britisher prune, after all.

layback40 · #14 11-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Who says the government themselves didn't "hire" the anarchists to have an excuse to break up the protests before the queen came? Got to protect the delicate eyes of that inbred old British prune, after all.

Such a suggestion fits the irrational category well.
Dont you have an occupy demonstration to go to?

spdrun · #15 11-12-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

Such a suggestion fits the irrational category well.
Dont you have an occupy demonstration to go to?

Not really a supporter, but I'm also not a supporter of state-sponsored violence. Especially to "protect" the delicate sensibilities of a pathetic little figurehead. What's next? Potemkin villages?

Why didn't Australia go republic and cut ties with the UK when they had the chance?