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LOL all that & it looks the same...
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Wish I understood it better don't know whether it would run better looped together or both blocked Anyway its just to get it to the shop... Thanks for all the help!!!  
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10-13-2007, 06:24 PM
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Curbstoner...not looking like "records" exist.
Put in a call to the curbstoner
to remind him I am still interested in those records he said he had... also asked him about the headlight adjustment He didn't remember. Said you have to adjust from under the hood No big deal but I figured he was supposed to have such aperfect memory Got to mention the records & the line went dead... so called back got the cell machine & I left a msg. I don't know why he would lie about records he didn't have? Probably made up about the timing chain being changed & had to lie about records to justify it. Just like the car was his father in laws & it wasn't.... I always knew he's not beyond lying but I have the car & have to deal with it. No easy way to look at timing chain I suppose I know with the volvo it seemed easy to remove the timing cover & check I think I recall my volvo mech doing it really quick & said belt was fine Volvo has a belt... Might send another inquiry to orig owner... Hoping they remember & respond about timing chain. Still for this car 150K would have been maybe 10 years ago & the memory of these things for some non car people is limited... Curbstoner... OOOH well have to pay him a visit....  Should I ask Enrique about how he would check & what it details & how much it would cost? He'll have aircleaner & wires off anyway.... Tehn again I wonder how good his guys are with valve covers & gaskets chancing it will leak. 
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10-13-2007, 06:33 PM
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If it is original, after this many years and mileage, the plastic upper guide rail must be waaaaaaaaaay past its sell-by date, and if it hasn't crumbled already is probably full of hairline cracks and root beer brown not white by now. Not to mention the condition of the timing chain and the gears. It could let go at any time and then you will be DRT. (says the guy who did not open his hood for five months  )
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10-13-2007, 06:46 PM
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Think all in all its a good car More plastic! Why do you build such a great car then put plastic parts in the engine? Does Enriques guys have capability of changing timing chain tensioers etc? A question to ask yourself before he looks as if its bad we have the pickle to decide #1 can he replace it or will I just have to let the car sit until I can get another job & make some money for extensive repairs. I wonder if Enriques qwife likes jewelry... Have some nice pieces I could trade for service... I know he has a sense for long term value Nothing better than gold & diamonds except maybe taking care of ones ailing benz...  Now where did I hear that before OOh the curbstoner...  Arrrghhh... I don't know what these jobs cost. It wasn't too much on my volvo but thats a belt I said they changed the belt tensior sealetc a few (4) years ago & labor was $300... don't know if the benz is considerably harder? I do know my guys are very good They are pretty reasonable too. I need to do research as I figure this all should be scoped together to save in teardown time/cost
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No one said your car is not good. It cedrtainly is. Probably a REALLY good one. With lots of the fantastic Euro features the American buyers were cheated out of.
I am sure Enrique at MR MB would liely be the perfect shop to undertake that timing chain maintenance job. Ask him how much it would cost to pull the valve cover and look to see if it is time. If you decide to have him do it, then ask how much for a chain, guide rail and tensioners. Everyone said about him that he does the jobs well and for a reasonable price, the labor rates are far below the dealers, and he doesn't do more than necessary. My WAG is the job could cost from around $600-$1500 and Enrique would probably be on the low side of that figure. You might have to live on Caviar Helper that month,after a job like that, but if it has never been done, it is probably time to bite the bullet and do it. I don't think it would be a good idea to barter diamonds or jewels for car repairs, frankly. Probably he would want money as most shops would I wouldn't feel fair bringing my own parts (From Rusty MB parts, German Star etc.) to the shop for a job like that. After all, he is entitled to a fair markup on the parts, as any shop would be.
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10-13-2007, 07:30 PM
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Even the curbstoner wouldn't take that... What can I do I had planned to do the wires then I broke the TVV I have the wires already & the plugs He'll have to understand & make it up somewhere Still have the thermo vacumn valve to deal with. He has to take off the wires on that side to get to it Its under the big bundle of them He has to take off air cleaner assembly too So part of it is already apart. Nothing I can do about it. so add the mark up somewhere I can't throw out the wires I might as well pay him to put them on then someone else. I can try to get the wires on I probably could have but don't know what trouble I might run into or what else will break... After breaking the TVV I was gun shy I half heartedly tried take one boot off the plug Do you think I should try to finsih what I started I might be able to do it... or it might be smart in light of my making more work for Enrique to fix, admit defeat & crawl over with the wires between my legs & plead for help...
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10-13-2007, 07:55 PM
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You are sounding as pessimistic as I get, sometimes. Knock it off. Chris H. is right. You will make it to MR MB's shop next week, no problem. BTW, These guys are advertising HEAVILY in this area on the radio. I'd never heard of anything like this. Sounds like a pretty neat deal to me http://www.wbu.com/ If you want a new business that could be it.
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10-13-2007, 07:56 PM
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He didn't seem worried!!! He said it would rattle. I'm hoping the engine sounded ok to him Now after this experence with the busted plastic tvv I was climbing the walls last night while it ran listening hearin things what the heck does a rattle sound like How can I tell it from the other sounds this engine makes. I hear something thought I heard more than usual Maybe I was just in a heightened state of stress... 
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10-13-2007, 07:57 PM
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I;m really scared to start it now. I have so much knowledge, intelligence College degree Its my insecurities that hold me back Just hope I didn't make a mistake Really getting into fixing the car but my budget is tiny Still don't know too many women like myself who would have tackled the cap & rotor I am pretty proud to have done that... I'll call Enrique.& take it in when he has a light day. I can budget another $1000 or so as I really do want to make the car right & not have to worry about it exploding on me anymore than that is really taking me to the bottom of the cookie jar. Funds are really tight so I have to make sure to use them for the most important things & I don't want that chain to break. I'll have him look maybe its ok then at least I can breath easier...
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10-13-2007, 08:13 PM
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timing chain play by dis measure
http://www.misterfixit.com/chanslop.htm
darn the distributor was off too. I didn't move any engine thats for sure but there was a slight play in the rotor wheel locking plate? it would rotate a few degrees??? Does this seems feasible???? Is this the double row chain I heard a few years of cars had a single row & they have real potential problems rattle sound http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1127339 Now this I can hera 2 sounds sounds worse I can also hear I have the tapping/clicking guess its a hi mileage engine so perfection is not to be expected. Now I don't know Maybe I have a problem Seems chains rarely break but guess tensioers can & chains jump the teeth when they get too stretched
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10-13-2007, 09:54 PM
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CS,
If your Timing Chain was that bad Enrique would have told you so. He would have heard it. I wish I had the bucks to buy this car; Looks really good. I'l love to fly into Tampoa and drive it back. It would be a grand adventure.
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10-13-2007, 10:24 PM
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He just told me to drive it Maybe he thinks it will fall apart & its not worth to fix... LOL Nice! Like the mileage it looks accurate price is fair I;ll be up to the buy it now soon 110K mileage sure beats 200K temp is on as is idle oil oress 2...not so good as mine idles 3 but have seen it drop hot at lights I like my brown bugger So far its a strong car always starts right up even after days... I sort of am attached to mine hoping its ok FLA has the moisture they rust there even though its warm car looks nice tho & if I wa sin the market might be worth a trip...
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CS,
Think on this...pay Enrique to change the plugs and replace the TV switch and have him listen to and check the time chain, he can tell you just by the sound probably. Then go home, the long way and enjoy in for a while, for once. Then, after you get home and you have had a nap and car has cooled off, go down and change your spark plug wires. The wires will have to come off and get put back on when he changes the plugs and they will be loosened up since they will have been off recently. You should easily be able to do it then. Of just have him do it at the spark plug change time and take a longer nap. Enjoy.
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A man of wisdom I can heed! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Thanks!!!! 
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