I wish! They're 15k cars up here!

You mean adding lye and methanol to perfectly good WVO, and then plugging your fuel filters with biodiesel?

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1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

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Where are all of these cars people are saying get destroyed by veggie.

I have yet to find one.

Does anyone have any credible evidence ?

All I hear is lots of horror stories but no facts.

Anybody have any proof at all ?


RichC

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Hacked up fuel system.


Greasy fuel tank in the trunk, and drilled holes in the cars body to run those lines.


VW
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/328/328057/folders/253144/2196195Cylinderscorecloseup2.JPG&imgrefurl=http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D186108&h=960&w=1280&sz=331&hl=en&start=195&tbnid=wF53D1Ry4hcANM:&tbnh=113&tbnw= 150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWVO%2Bmercedes%26start%3D180%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

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2006 CL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2026 Genesis GV70
2007 Tiara 3200

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Have you ever modified anything on a Mercedes before ?

If so, it could be considered you have hacked up a car also.



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No.

Unless you count clear corners as a mod, I can swap the stock yellow ones back in 2 minutes.

The only mods I would ever do on my car are AMG and period correct mods. Like a Euro headlight wiper conversion, AMG body kit, etc. I wouldn't call anything euro a mod because thats they way they were original made.

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1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2026 Genesis GV70
2007 Tiara 3200

This one.

Good God, look at the crap on those valves.

Perfectly good WVO? Sure, if you call screwing up your car with a WVO conversion "perfectly good." Just look at that tangle of fuel and coolant hoses.

The sodium hydroxide and methanol are added to precipitate all the sludge that would otherwise end up in the engine if straight WVO was burned, as was the case with that TDI ^^^ up there.

For the record, I've never had a single plugged filter between three different diesels, each going straight from petrol to B100.


And yes, the CDI/Bluetec is safe from WVO, that stuff will screw up the high pressure injection......PD TDI's (04 and newer) are also safe.

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01 540i 6 spd

Are you referring to my car? I thought I kept it pretty tidy. The only place where its not as discreet as I'd like is where the valves mount to the intake manifold:

However, I needed 3 valves mounted very closely to one another, and I needed good quality valves. Function over aesthetics. Either way, I'm really not too concerned with how things look under the hood, as long as it doesn't look like a farmer made it, and I don't block access to anything important. Plus, it's not as if the e300d's fuel plumbing is a model of grace or simplicity.

Inside the car, the only difference is the control panel, and it has the flip-down cover:

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1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

You aren't lookin that hard. Search Frankie's last posts. There are others too; in addition to many who have gotten lucky and recognized something was wrong in time to prevent more catastrophic failure.

That said, I understand the allure and that some have been successful running WVo blends or in making their own bio home brew. Thats great if you are very organized, thorough, can put up with the mess and have the time and the desire to do so in a controlled manner. Most dont and most mess up eventually. I know of no one on this board who has put a quick 100k on their engine in a couple of years running same. Lots of folks have burnt it for 20 or 30k in the last 3 - 5 years. Show us a few examples of folks using SVO/WVO or home brew fuels for 100k, or 200k miles and make US believers....(I don't want to know about VW's....we are here to discuss MB's).

Before you ask....I wouldn't dream of burning anything other than D2 or commercially prepared B99 in mine; but, show me enough exapmles and I might change my mind.....

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N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)

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Here is exactly what you are asking for.

This is a link to a database with thusands of cars that have been running
veggie for millions of miles.
If you just want information for the Mercedes you can easily do a search
for just that make.

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/database/index.php
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Who is frankie ?
Should I search for his posts here ?
How do I find the others that have avoided catastrophy ?

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I have seen the VW you guys have linked to several times before.

He admits himself that he probably had water in his veggie
and that is what did the piston damage, and started the downward spiral
of his engine.

Besides, you are talking about a VW on a Mercedes forum on a post about the E300.

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It bears no relevance of which make the car is.
Does the E300 not have a valvetrain very similar to that of the TDI?
I see the same possibility for damage, perhaps even more in the E300 which has twice as many valves per cylinder.

And for the record, my Mercedes is completely unmodified, yet has been burning renewable, commercial B100 (aka B99) for almost three years now.

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01 540i 6 spd

The om606 is an IDI engine, which in my eyes makes it a better candidate for SVO/WVO than a VW TDi. The fact that it is DOHC, 4valves/cyl, crossflow head means that I can also have a car I enjoy driving. Perfect car, IMO.

As I mentioned before (and again), B100 is not an option in many climates. I would never risk ruining a fantastic car like an e300d by running biodiesel.

Are you catching my drift yet? What works for you does not necessarily work for others. It's great that you can run b100. Most can't. Recommending that they can/should doesn't make sense.

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1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

Where's the beef?

A Mercedes 300TD has done 58,374 miles on veg oil!
A Mercedes benz 250 TD has done 62,100 miles on veg oil!

Copied from front page of your link. Both are older designs and neither engine has the sensors or computer controls of the 606.91x or 606.962.

Frankie is a very pretty young lady. Search her user name.

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Terry Allison
N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)

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Wow ! That database has changed a bunch since I looked at it last.

There are a lot fewer cars they are keeping track of.

I specifically remember two 300D's that had real close to 100,000 miles on veggie.

I dont know why, but it has changed.

Have Fun !
RichC


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