The Sleeper Part Deux - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Shortsguy1 · #31 01-30-2013, 03:00 PM

Yes, you can find all the cars a particular part is used on. I didn't know how to do this until just now. But MB updates/changes there part numbers occasionally, so it is not a fool-proof method as it might miss virtually identical parts (but with different part numbers).

There is a part number for the 3 piece prop shaft on the 123, and each piece has their own part number. So I guess I can look up a few options if interested. What specifically would be most helpful?

PackerEdgerton · #32 01-31-2013, 11:23 AM

OK, please forgive me if I don't see the obvious. Why is exactly does the OP refer to the car as a "Sleeper"?

I'm always understood a "Sleeper" to be a car that doesn't look fast, but is in fact quite fast.

Sincerely,

Packman

Partscarver · #33 01-31-2013, 11:44 AM

Perhaps that is the goal

Phillytwotank · #34 01-31-2013, 12:23 PM

It could be a car that looks like just an old azz car from the 80's to your average person but is actually the baddest super w123 around.

note: every classic benz (and some newer benzes too) gets my attention. i don't think this is true for most people.

Sleeper (noun) - more than meets the eye, highly customized and/or high performance camouflaged by an everyday ordinary appearance.

See some of Greazers other post (in other threads) describing his other planed upgrades to this vehicle.

Stretch · #35 01-31-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shortsguy1

Yes, you can find all the cars a particular part is used on. I didn't know how to do this until just now. But MB updates/changes there part numbers occasionally, so it is not a fool-proof method as it might miss virtually identical parts (but with different part numbers).

There is a part number for the 3 piece prop shaft on the 123, and each piece has their own part number. So I guess I can look up a few options if interested. What specifically would be most helpful?

Sorry for the delay - yet more computer trouble.

If you you are able to just list the cars fitted with a 3 piece prop shaft that would be absolutely fantastic. Use the part number that describes the whole thing - that should be nice and quick

BodhiBenz1987 · #36 01-31-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerEdgerton

I'm always understood a "Sleeper" to be a car that doesn't look fast, but is in fact quite fast.

A sleeper is something/someone unassuming or unnoticed whose value ultimately exceeds generally low expectations. E.g., a race horse might be ignored by bettor's in favor of flashier or winninger horses, thus attracting long odds, but a few notice his pedigree is perfect for the race conditions and call him a sleeper. So, a car that is a sleeper could be one that is faster than it looks, but it could also be one that is more reliable than it looks, or more comfortable than it looks, or capable of being prettier than it's original state ... etc. ... it has value not everyone can appreciate at first glance.

t walgamuth · #37 01-31-2013, 02:12 PM

The looks of a simple 240D, the acceleration of a 300turbo and the fuel economy of a 190d.

Shortsguy1 · #38 01-31-2013, 04:33 PM

Stretch-
The 3 piece prop shaft that I found for w115s is part 1154104106. In the US, supposedly it appeared in a 220 and 230.4 (no idea what that is), and elsewhere in the world it appeared in a 200, 220, 230, and 230.4.

The 3 piece prop shaft that I found for w123s is part 1234103106. In the US, supposedly it appeared in a 230, and elsewhere in the world it appeared in the 200, 230, and 230T (no idea if that is T=turbo or T=stationwagon/estate).

So it appears that the smaller gasoline engines tended to have 3 piece prop shafts.

Stretch · #39 02-01-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shortsguy1

Stretch-
The 3 piece prop shaft that I found for w115s is part 1154104106. In the US, supposedly it appeared in a 220 and 230.4 (no idea what that is), and elsewhere in the world it appeared in a 200, 220, 230, and 230.4.

The 3 piece prop shaft that I found for w123s is part 1234103106. In the US, supposedly it appeared in a 230, and elsewhere in the world it appeared in the 200, 230, and 230T (no idea if that is T=turbo or T=stationwagon/estate).

So it appears that the smaller gasoline engines tended to have 3 piece prop shafts.

Well done Sherlock - thanks a lot! (The T is station wagon in the case above)

Renntag · #40 02-02-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stretch

...If you look back at 200T's BW thread you can see a picture of a gasser prop shaft that not only has a different diameter but also the centre bearing in a different position too. ...

Anyone have this picture to place in this thread?

And to add to the "sleeper" digression above, we also must consider the definition of "Sleeper cell" quite common in the news today, as well as the other applicable automotive definition of a vehicle with space for someone to get a good rest, or to sleep. Clearly these two suggestions are not what was mentioned above, but I thought it important if a word is being defined based on cultural use.

I agree that with respect to automotive culture, a "Sleeper" is a vehicle that someone would not assume offers up any performance attributes simply based upon it's appearance or known typical uses, but rather surprisingly, performs beyond these stigma or preconceptions. Any W123 that offers performance on par with a nondescript basic car today, might fall into this category as "sleeper", since it's performance value is fairly low by today's standards. That being said, it's appeal is legendary !

Stretch · #41 02-02-2013, 05:10 PM

Here's a link for the picture

According to the information posted on BenzWorld by 200T the top shaft in the picture is for a W123 diesel (300D) 5 speed and the one below is for a 230 4 speed (for the link to the original BW thread see my previous post)

vstech · #42 02-02-2013, 07:51 PM

any chance the 230 was a coupe?

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Originally Posted by Stretch

Here's a link for the picture

According to the information posted on BenzWorld by 200T the top shaft in the picture is for a W123 diesel (300D) 5 speed and the one below is for a 230 4 speed (for the link to the original BW thread see my previous post)

greazzer · #43 04-03-2013, 07:45 AM

Well, not so much work for the last month or more. Finally, found some time last night. I found a really nice, almost virtually rust free battery tray and I bead blasted it and painted it. Not the best investment in time, but I got to do some restoration. Nice and dry this AM. Also, got my new 50 Plate HE in and it's time for my 3rd WVO system. This time, I have worked out all 4 major issues in any WVO system and I am thinking this will be the last version. Greazzer 3.0 so to speak. I am hoping to find "some" time this weekend to relocate my battery to the trunk and at least mount the new battery tray with HE. This beast should capture most of the engine's free BTUs of heat and keep the WVO at a nice 180F. It holds over a quart. Just looking now for a suitable thermal blanket. I used to have a big piece of UH-1 helicopter thermal blanket material but I guess that got lost in the shufflle over the years. Any one out there with something like this? I need about 4 square feet, give or take. The HE measures 12"x5"x 6"

greazzer · #44 05-01-2013, 08:40 PM

I picked up the AVL Bund 875 Diesel Fuel Injection Timer / Gun. Very very pleased so far. I need to source the missing cable. This way, I can exactly time the IP without using the drip method or any other method, and I understand this is perhaps the most exact method to time the IP. I also need to translate the owners manual -- it's in German

I owe some pictures.

Updates thus far:

1. EURO Front and Rear Bumpers
2. Rear Mud Flaps
3. New Oil Pan which was really needed to fix the dip stick tube-- what a PITA!
4. Interior upgrades

Almost ready to wrap up:

1. Electric Water Pump
2. Finalized Greazzer 3.0 WVO system
3. NON-EGR manifolds; painted and modified-- Very happy with this, and my California air box.
4. Euro Rear Headrests

In the next month or so:

Installation of RollGuys A/C Sanden Compressor System. Got the entire sha-bang from Secondaries. Brutal heat coming this way by June 1st ... so time for the R-12 (got my 608 license) and time to chill....

Then, time for some serious restoration before the brutal heat sets in --
1. SOUND PROOFING
2. Interior Dye Time

Stretch · #45 05-02-2013, 01:48 AM

Sound proofing - what are you planning there then?