The Sleeper Part Deux - Page 5 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

winmutt · #1 06-11-2013, 06:17 PM

Since I read the first post and fast forwarded to the end, what are you doing for a pump?

greazzer · #2 06-11-2013, 06:19 PM

The washer fluid pump ... JUST kidding.

Devils Own. I have one in my garage, except I cannot find it right now. Looks like a bomb went off in there as I organize and clean out stuff.

winmutt · #3 06-12-2013, 12:35 PM

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The washer fluid pump ... JUST kidding.

Devils Own. I have one in my garage, except I cannot find it right now. Looks like a bomb went off in there as I organize and clean out stuff.

Is that an injection pump? Sorry I meant what injection pump are you using to make a sleeper? What size elements?

Stretch · #4 06-12-2013, 02:57 AM

Can I ask a H2O related question? Why does that help get rid of WVO gunk? {If you've posted that information elsewhere please just point to it}

greazzer · #5 06-12-2013, 08:13 AM

Hey Army,

I didn't post any info on the cleaning as I rested on the shoulders of giants. There are a few threads on the topic which degenerated into a dispute and argument over how the process works. The gist is that the water "steams" away the junk. That is my summary so for all those who are much more scientific please excuse in advance. There was an example by a forum member who pointed out that if one blows a head gasket, the internals become very clean because of the water / steam created by the head gasket failure. I know from the STD community that the water or W&M injection, the vapor lowers Exhaust Gas Temps. And, the "M" gives an added kick or boost so to speak. I will be burning W&M in my turbo engine to lower the temps and for that added boost. However, for this application, no need for the boost. Only so much mojo out of a tired 77 HP engine. Hope that helps ...

Stretch · #6 06-12-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Hey Army,

I didn't post any info on the cleaning as I rested on the shoulders of giants. There are a few threads on the topic which degenerated into a dispute and argument over how the process works. The gist is that the water "steams" away the junk. That is my summary so for all those who are much more scientific please excuse in advance. There was an example by a forum member who pointed out that if one blows a head gasket, the internals become very clean because of the water / steam created by the head gasket failure. I know from the STD community that the water or W&M injection, the vapor lowers Exhaust Gas Temps. And, the "M" gives an added kick or boost so to speak. I will be burning W&M in my turbo engine to lower the temps and for that added boost. However, for this application, no need for the boost. Only so much mojo out of a tired 77 HP engine. Hope that helps ...

Thanks - whilst I still have two feet strictly planted in the diesel only camp at the moment - I can envisage a time when diesel fuel just won't be sold here anymore. So I think the more people there are doing this sort of thing the better and bigger the knowledge base becomes - diesel only diehards might not like it but some of these alternative fuels (or a variation on the theme) might be the future whether they like it or not. Still I'll have a look about for those links - thanks again - steam cleaner eh?

greazzer · #7 06-12-2013, 12:14 PM

At this point, the WVO community is shrinking because of a few factors. One, big business is buying the grease. When it was "free", the restruants were paying companies to get rid of it. Now, the same places are making money by selling it. Second, the electric car or hybrids are coming out and replacing conventional gas cars to some degree. Why go thru the hassle of WVO when you can drive a COTs car on the cheaps so to speak. Also, when the price of fuel dropped - stabilized, so did the interests in biodiesel/WVO. Last, burning grease successfully is not that easy when you start. One is looking at $1,000 start up costs. Picking up a waste product which is messy and turning it into a water free, junk free, purified product down to the sub-micron level takes time, patience, practice, and money. Most folks get cranky when they run it thru a few 1 micron nominal bags, pour that crap into the tank, and expect things to go just jim dandy. The car itself will need around $500+ to be properly converted. And, because there are no guildlines or established "norms", everything is R&D. Heck, I am on my third system right now, and my guess is that 1-2 years from now, I will change my set up again since I will think I built a better mouse trap. All these factors equal time and money. So, tell someone that they will need to invest around $2,000, about a few hundred hours, and maybe an hour or two every month from now on to collect grease, and see how many folks line up. Everyone likes the idea of free or nearly free fuel and driving, and WVO does present that opportunity, but there is a start-up price tag. Most folks will stay away from the process or, they jump into it with both feet, only to be disappointed or bitter over a poorly running car, or the nickle and dime costs along the way. Just my .02 cents...

Phillytwotank · #8 06-12-2013, 12:29 PM

I'm excited to see the sleeper all put together. You should bring it up tothe biodiesel plant in winnsboro for a little show and tell and I'll be happy to give you the tour of our operation.

greazzer · #9 06-12-2013, 02:32 PM

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I'm excited to see the sleeper all put together. You should bring it up tothe biodiesel plant in winnsboro for a little show and tell and I'll be happy to give you the tour of our operation.

Thanks ! I am game ... BTW -- eating too much fast food from Moe's off Garners Ferry Road is bad for you ... LOL. I saw you when I was there with my wife, and you are incredibly fast. Before I blinked and looked back up, you were headed out the door. Rush's is much more healthier for you !

greazzer · #10 06-12-2013, 02:30 PM

Ahhh... gotcha now ...

When I install my turbo engine which has Sure-Seal rings, Ceramic Coated Pistons, et cet., I will be installing one of Goran's mod'd "M" pumps which has been enshrined in my closet vs. the garage. I cannot recall the fuel delivery print out numbers from Goran's shop which he provided when I got the pump last year. It has 6,0mm. When I find the print out from his shop in Sweeden, I will post them. My spec's were under 200 HP, as I want to go from 0-70 as fast as possible and not be able to go a zillion miles an hour. Although the C-111 has a lot of mod's and it's certainly not a W123, it does demonstrate that the OM617.952A engine can make a car go pretty darn fast. My turbo will be water cooled, and not oil cooled. The only "parasitc" drain on the engine which is superflous will be the M-100 type of suspension. I am on the prowl now for a turbo TD cylinder head which has the casting for that pump.

winmutt · #11 06-12-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Ahhh... gotcha now ...

When I install my turbo engine which has Sure-Seal rings, Ceramic Coated Pistons, et cet., I will be installing one of Goran's mod'd "M" pumps which has been enshrined in my closet vs. the garage. I cannot recall the fuel delivery print out numbers from Goran's shop which he provided when I got the pump last year. It has 6,0mm. When I find the print out from his shop in Sweeden, I will post them. My spec's were under 200 HP, as I want to go from 0-70 as fast as possible and not be able to go a zillion miles an hour. Although the C-111 has a lot of mod's and it's certainly not a W123, it does demonstrate that the OM617.952A engine can make a car go pretty darn fast. My turbo will be water cooled, and not oil cooled. The only "parasitc" drain on the engine which is superflous will be the M-100 type of suspension. I am on the prowl now for a turbo TD cylinder head which has the casting for that pump.

Interesting, didn't know he did any 6.0s. Should have all of my stuff bolted on in the next month or so. My color LCD tach/pyro/boost gauge looks very nice in the tach gauge dial.

Phillytwotank · #12 06-12-2013, 05:53 PM

HaHa! Yeah. Thats become my go to monday dinner spot. Order by phone on my way home from work, swoop in for the burrito and i'm out.

Word! C'mon up. I'm sure the Bio guys will appreciate your bad azz benz. Midlands Biofuels downtown winnsboro. i'm usually there 9-5 M-F tho i do occasionally go on excursions away from the plant.

greazzer · #13 06-12-2013, 06:49 PM

I will be there ! I got about a half dozen projects with the Sleeper cooking and I am thinking they will all come together around the same time. The car won't have my turbo engine. I am thinking that will be next year some time. BUT, all the mod's and upgrades are transferrable to the turbo engine (except the mod'd manifolds, but the M&W injection will be transferrable, et cet). My car is not the cool red like yours, but it's pretty peppy even with the tired 77 HP NA. We can drag ... LOL ...

Phillytwotank · #14 06-12-2013, 07:10 PM

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We can drag ... LOL ...

It's On!

Stretch · #15 06-13-2013, 01:18 AM

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It's On!

Gentlemen I expect a nice video of this - or it didn't happen.