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Old 09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
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...Another example would be the Duke lacrosse case--that prosecutor should have done jail time as the case was a complete fabrication.
The Duke lacrosse case was unbelievable. That prosecutor (now and ex-prosecutor) is a sociopath.

Did the Delay prosecutor abuse his power? The (Republican) Texas Court of Appeals says that the prosecutor is wrong on the law, but that's a far cry from the Duke lacrosse case. Is there more to the Delay case than the opinion lets on?

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Old 09-23-2013, 03:17 PM
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Unless you live in Texas you really cannot understand what is at work here.

Republicans in Texas are vindictive and they are not shy about letting anyone know this.

They did finally elect enough Republican Judges for DeLay to take his case to court and stop trying to postpone it. Conservatives know the Judges threw the case for one of their own and are celebrating their takeover of the Court system in Texas.

This is major league stuff, and trying to pretend it does not exist will only make it worse.
Yeah, my family lives in TX and has been there since before the Texas Revolution. I was Spanish before Mexican was cool. I own property in TX, I pay taxes in TX. Most of my family lives in TX. I visit TX many times per year. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16461839
wells-family-settles-walnut-creek - Community Impact Newspaper; http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fhe17

Then there's this guy, to whom I am related through the Stallworths: http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ftr03

But that's just me.

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Old 09-23-2013, 06:30 PM
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Yeah, my family lives in TX and has been there since before the Texas Revolution. I was Spanish before Mexican was cool. I own property in TX, I pay taxes in TX. Most of my family lives in TX. I visit TX many times per year. Martin, Sarah Boyd & Martin Jones Wells (1819 - 1893) - Find A Grave Memorial
wells-family-settles-walnut-creek - Community Impact Newspaper; HENDERSON, THOMAS STALWORTH | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)

Then there's this guy, to whom I am related through the Stallworths: TRAVIS, WILLIAM BARRET | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)

But that's just me.
OK, so your Texas credentials are in order.
What is your take on DeLay? Which side was using the Courts for blatantly political purposes? Or are both sides equally guilty?
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:44 PM
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OK, so your Texas credentials are in order.
What is your take on DeLay? Which side was using the Courts for blatantly political purposes? Or are both sides equally guilty?
Since DeLay was a criminal defendant, I don't see how he could be accused of using the court for any purpose, political or otherwise. Why are you convinced that anyone used the courts for blatantly political purposes?
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:49 PM
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Since DeLay was a criminal defendant, I don't see how he could be accused of using the court for any purpose, political or otherwise. Why are you convinced that anyone used the courts for blatantly political purposes?
Politicians are involved.
Prosecutors often try to get fame by taking down a politician.

I meant was Delay acquitted due to purely political pressure?
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Old 09-23-2013, 07:31 PM
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Unless you live in Texas you really cannot understand what is at work here.

Republicans in Texas are vindictive and they are not shy about letting anyone know this.

They did finally elect enough Republican Judges for DeLay to take his case to court and stop trying to postpone it. Conservatives know the Judges threw the case for one of their own and are celebrating their takeover of the Court system in Texas.

This is major league stuff, and trying to pretend it does not exist will only make it worse.
Fair enough.

So if those of us who are not from Texas stop talking about it, does that mean that you'll confine your comments only to things that are wholly within its borders? If you have a thought or opinion on anything else, clearly it can't be meaningful outside of Texas...
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Check out how far DeLay reached into DC and you will see that this is not a Texas thing.

And... I was living in his district when he bailed on us. Some rather important people tried to get him to stay at least until his term was up and he just brushed them off.
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Politicians are involved.
Prosecutors often try to get fame by taking down a politician.
That's true. They do it all the time and people let them get away with it because the voters hate politicians. Really dangerous practice.
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Oh, I misunderstood. I don't know. I believe they have another level of appeal (from a 3-judge panel to the full court of appeals). Maybe that will shed some light.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:20 PM
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The last court of appeals is the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. There are nine Judges, seven of them are Republicans and most of them are Tea Party types.

They love DeLay because he was doing all he could to make sure the right people got elected, so one one expects them to rule any differently that the other Republican controlled court just did.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:22 PM
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Began as politics. Will end as politics. Politics is as inescapable to humans as gravity is to matter.

For all that it matters.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:25 PM
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Politicians are involved.
Prosecutors often try to get fame by taking down a politician.

I meant was Delay acquitted due to purely political pressure?
There was no political fame to be gained here. The prosecutor made it clear he was not running for office after his term expired and that's what some observers of this think made the rest of DeLay's co-defendents cop a plea.

If they had gone to trial they feared he would throw the book at them.

And I would not call it political pressure. More like just letting one of their own skip out.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:37 PM
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There was no political fame to be gained here. The prosecutor made it clear he was not running for office after his term expired and that's what some observers of this think made the rest of DeLay's co-defendents cop a plea.

If they had gone to trial they feared he would throw the book at them.

And I would not call it political pressure. More like just letting one of their own skip out.
Oh really?

Immediately after Ronnie Earle announced his retirement as District Attorney of Travis County in December 2007, he began being mentioned as a possible statewide candidate.[13] In the spring of 2009, Earle's name began being mentioned specifically in context with a race for either Texas Attorney General or Texas Governor.[14]
Earle has said he is considering a run for one of the two posts.[15] On June 30, 2009, an Internet draft movement, DraftRonnie.com, was launched to urge Earle to run for Texas governor.[16] The Draft Ronnie website and draft movement ended in September, 2009, when Democrat Hank Gilbert entered the race for Texas Governor as the founder of the draft site announced his support for Gilbert and went to work for him as a high-level staffer.
On December 18, 2009 Ronnie Earle filed to run for Lieutenant Governor of Texas.
On March 2, 2010 Earle was defeated for the post of Lieutenant Governor in the Democratic primary by Labor leader Linda Chavez-Thompson.[17]


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Old 09-24-2013, 04:25 PM
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There was no political fame to be gained here. The prosecutor made it clear he was not running for office after his term expired and that's what some observers of this think made the rest of DeLay's co-defendents cop a plea.

If they had gone to trial they feared he would throw the book at them.

And I would not call it political pressure. More like just letting one of their own skip out.
You are seeing what you want to see.
Evil republicans.

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