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MTUpower · #16 09-04-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I doubt you will find very many folks on the other side of the aisle who agree with you on this one. R's and Southerners like to proclaim loudly how they are NOT racist....and the civil war was not about slavery it was about [B]states rights[/B]......(to own slaves).

After living around the world the most racist people I've encountered are New Yorkers. It's open racism there- but not spoken of when it will hurt yourself.

t walgamuth · #17 09-04-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Funny how democrats forget their own history--their own opposition to voting rights, their own opposition to integration, their leadership ties to the KKK. All is forgiven/forgotten if you are a dem.

How does anyone disprove the "racist" charge? Once the charge is made, it dirties everyone. It is a blatantly political attack that has no defense. It muddies the debate.

Another aspect of the racist charge is to call all Conservative/ Republican blacks "Uncle Toms". Its as if blacks, simply because they are black MUST be liberal democrats--is THAT not as racist a comment as can be made?
Who are the real racists?

You are right about democrats. In the south particularly they were racist right up til the civil rights act passed. then all the racists became republicans.

elchivito · #18 09-04-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

You are right about democrats. In the south particularly they were racist right up til the civil rights act passed. then all the racists became republicans.

Yup. Dixiecrats turned Republican en masse. What did Johnson say? "There goes the south" or something like that.
Are there still racist Dems? Sure, bound to be, but the Civil Rights Act gifted the bulk of them to the Republican party.

t walgamuth · #19 09-04-2012, 10:01 AM

Johnson said upon passage of the civil rights act "The south will be lost to the democratic party for 100 years."

Obviously he thought it was worth the price paid though.

Johnson is not my favorite politician but the passage of the civil rights act, which he could not have done without the support or Everette Dirkson (R from Illinois I believe) was a very important and worthwhile thing which he was willing as a southerner to do and did at great cost.

MTI · #20 09-04-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

After living around the world the most racist people I've encountered are New Yorkers. It's open racism there- but not spoken of when it will hurt yourself.

I would put Tokyo above New York.

aklim · #21 09-04-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

The children will eventually intermarry us out of our ancient racism patterns.

Ah, but Sir, while you are probably right, racism is only ONE facet of the "prejudice spectrum". More like a hydra. Cut one head off and 2 appear. Man is a prejudiced creature. Without it to some extent, you might be playing with the poisonous snake that killed 20 others to find out if this one is going to kill you or not. OTOH, with it, well, we can only look back to see the greatness. Such a quandary.

aklim · #22 09-04-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

On Sept. 21, a reception will be held at the school, followed by the homecoming football game, which the letter notes all graduates are welcome to attend.

After the game, “white graduates only” are invited to a classmate’s home and are encouraged to bring a “food dish to share.”

The food dish to share would likely be Wonder bread, baloney sandwiches, Hostess twinkies, and Ho-Ho's. ^^^^ classic "white people" food.

No issue there.

Therein lies the issue. That is a classmate's home. If he/she wants white people only, should we have a problem with that? Problem I have with that one is it is much like abortion and a woman. My house, my rules. While I don't agree with his/her actions, I have to support it from the standpoint that it is a private gathering. Had it been a school gathering, I'd say it should be investigated but at a private home, no.

Isn't that stereotyping?

aklim · #23 09-04-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Mmmm, there is a small difference...U.S. Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Bob Papp speaks during a National Society of Black Engineers conference held at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy June 11, 2011.

What is the difference? Can a white man join that group when it specifically says "Black" in the group name? Yes, they are a private group AFAIK and I support their right to gather in the way of their choosing but how is it any less or more racist than the classmate saying "whites only"?

Racial discrimination is either acceptable or it is not. It should not be acceptable from this group but not that group.

aklim · #24 09-04-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Unless my dates are off, the civil rights act was passed in 1964. Why on earth would a class of 1973 have a segregated reunion in the first place. What on earth were they thinking in the first place. Forty years late they said, 'hey, lets have a desegregated reunion.... aw chucks, the segregated invites went out already ... whoopsy'. I don't get it.

You support abortion? Her body her rules. Classmate's house, classmate's rules. Racist as it might be, either support his right or the other does not stand.

aklim · #25 09-04-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

I would put Tokyo above New York.

I'd have to say that as a Chinaman, it would be the Chinese. Hell, they even have discrimination against other chinese who happen to be in a different dialect group.

cmbdiesel · #26 09-04-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No issue there.

Therein lies the issue. That is a classmate's home. If he/she wants white people only, should we have a problem with that? Problem I have with that one is it is much like abortion and a woman. My house, my rules. While I don't agree with his/her actions, I have to support it from the standpoint that it is a private gathering. Had it been a school gathering, I'd say it should be investigated but at a private home, no.

Isn't that stereotyping?

Nobody suggested that the classmate should be investigated or charged or any other official sanction. The point was that it is a sad example of racism which is being practiced by people in our country. These are probably just regular folks to those who are their neighbors or acquaintances, but underneath they are racists, and it is an unfortunate thing.

Just because it is in a private home does not mean you need to support it. Support the persons right to do what they will, invite who they will, but I for one, will not support their decision to send out an invite to a class reunion indicating that whites only are to be admitted.

cmbdiesel · #27 09-04-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

What is the difference? Can a white man join that group when it specifically says "Black" in the group name? Yes, they are a private group AFAIK and I support their right to gather in the way of their choosing but how is it any less or more racist than the classmate saying "whites only"?

Racial discrimination is either acceptable or it is not. It should not be acceptable from this group but not that group.

They are attempting, as an underperforming group, to accelerate the advancement of their group. This group happens to be colored. I am certain that many of their members have had to deal with lingering issues of racial bias in their schooling, and are banding together to assist the whole of people who were exposed to this extra burden. They could just as easily be an innercity group or a Louisiana group. They are a group of people with certain traits in common that are trying to improve their lot.

It is not racist for people who have suffered racism to band together to alleviate the effects that racism has had on them. No matter how hard you want it to be.

cmbdiesel · #28 09-04-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

After living around the world the most racist people I've encountered are New Yorkers. It's open racism there- but not spoken of when it will hurt yourself.

You and I know two completely different New Yorks....

I have found NY to be a very accepting of cultural and ethnic differences.

Of course I speak mainly of the city, not the 'burbs or upstate...
and if you were captaining a charter boat from Long Island.... I could imagine that you know a completely different NY than the one I am familiar with.

MS Fowler · #29 09-04-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

What is the difference? Can a white man join that group when it specifically says "Black" in the group name? Yes, they are a private group AFAIK and I support their right to gather in the way of their choosing but how is it any less or more racist than the classmate saying "whites only"?

Racial discrimination is either acceptable or it is not. It should not be acceptable from this group but not that group.

What happens when a conservative, black republican is elected to the House of Representatives? Will he/she be included, or excluded for the Congressional Black Caucus? On what basis would he/she be excluded?

aklim · #30 09-04-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Nobody suggested that the classmate should be investigated or charged or any other official sanction. The point was that it is a sad example of racism which is being practiced by people in our country. These are probably just regular folks to those who are their neighbors or acquaintances, but underneath they are racists, and it is an unfortunate thing.

Just because it is in a private home does not mean you need to support it. Support the persons right to do what they will, invite who they will, but I for one, will not support their decision to send out an invite to a class reunion indicating that whites only are to be admitted.

Racism is a form of prejudice, plain and simple. Same as sexism or discrimination of any group. I am not fond of prejudice in any form although we all indulge in it in some way, shape or form. I have yet to meet anyone without any prejudice whatsoever. I don't find one form better than the other. So your discrimination of different races isn't any better or worse than his discrimination based on sex or mine based on clothes or hers based on eye color. It is all bad and it isn't going away. You might win the battle but so far, if history is any judge, not the war.

I don't like his action any more than you do. However, on principle, I feel I have to support his right to make a fool and/or unpopular person of himself.