Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Find out how he got into the building and arrest those responsible for one.

Originally Posted by davidmash

Lol. Yea, that will help fix the problem.

Originally Posted by davidmash

Really?

So requiring a gun to be licensed with a title of owner ship that has to be transferred when the gun is sold will not help. Requiring that all gun owners store their weapons in a certified safe with trigger locks would not help? Holding gun owners responsible for the use of their weapons would not help? Requiring the report of any stolen or lost weapon and finding out why/how it was stolen would not help (remember that gun needs to be on your person or in a safe) would not help?

Of course we can just go on the same we have been and continue to allow innocent people to die. I hope it does not happen to someone you know.

Originally Posted by bamba

At this risk of sounding too philosophical or abstract, I have a comment to make.

I think this issue of gun control vs. gun rights only addresses the proximate issue here. The ultimate issue, to me, is why young people are compelled to not only end their own lives, but to take the lives of innocent, completely unrelated victims. What causes a person to engage in such destructive behavior? What thoughts have snowballed in their minds to the point where hate / anger / despair drives them to commit such acts? Do they feel anger toward authority? Toward the institution / "the man"? Toward society in general?

In my opinion, we need to ask not only these questions, but also assess the changes in our society over the past several decades. I'm relatively young, but in conversations with my parents (in their mid-60s), they never, ever remembered anything like these random massacres while they were growing up, and while they were young adults. (Yes, there was the University of Texas sniper in the mid-1960s -- but such acts were extremely, extremely rare). This makes me wonder: how has our society changed in the past 40 to 50 years? How have our values, beliefs, and institutions changed -- e.g. the nuclear family, religion, entertainment, media, education, technology, etc.? Has the evolution or changes to these systems all been for the better? What role do the changes in all of these systems and values have in the increased alienation that young people may feel, and the mental health issues that they may suffer from?

I think we need to examine the broader picture here. Perhaps we should engage in some self-examination as a society, and ask whether the paths we've pursued in recent history contribute to the health, happiness, and improvement of the individual human being; or if they damage us as individuals, lead to despair, and impair our desire and ability to love and connect with our fellow man.

Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Find out how he got into the building and arrest those responsible for one.

Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Give me a break. None of what you stated would change a thing. He then hops in a car and plows through a playground, Crashes a crop duster into a school bus or poisons a milk delivery. It is already illegal to carry on school grounds and it meant nothing to that creep.

Btw, Don't worry about who I know.


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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Give me a break. None of what you stated would change a thing. He then hops in a car and plows through a playground, Crashes a crop duster into a school bus or poisons a milk delivery. It is already illegal to carry on school grounds and it meant nothing to that creep.

Btw, Don't worry about who I know.


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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I'm quoting this passage verbatim because I think there's a lot of truth in what you have written. Societal degeneration and the resultant Increase in defective human beings seem to me to be the main cause behind these sorts of events. Wether the cause is "something" in the water supply causing a massive uptick in the mentally ill or something else maybe the assumption that they can simply be allowed to walk free with a few pills and shrink sessions needs to be re-evaluated.

- Peter.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Time for gun owners to step up to the table, and discuss rationally, the necessary path which we must begin to travel as a society.

There are far more problems created by guns than solved by them, and anyone who does not see and understand that fact is an idiot or delusional.

Originally Posted by ruchase

Very well said - probably the most articulate point in this entire thread.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Dumbest crap ever posted.
I know you are smarter than that.

None of what David posted had anything to do with illegally carrying on school grounds.
His points have everything to do with responsible gun ownership and sales... two things which are horribly lacking.

Trigger locks work.
Gun safes work.
Eliminating handguns would work even better.

Why shouldn't he worry about people you know? Aren't they worth the same concern as anyone else?

It is the kind of opinions and attitude you are presenting that cause me, a guy who owns a number of firearms, to seriously question whether or not our society should allow it. Arrogant, belligerent, and seemingly in a state of dangerous denial.
Time for gun owners to step up to the table, and discuss rationally, the necessary path which we must begin to travel as a society.
There are far more problems created by guns than solved by them, and anyone who does not see and understand that fact is an idiot or delusional.

Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Find out how he got into the building and arrest those responsible for one.

Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Bullsht, look at DC.

Your two bit name calling and wannabe elitist point of view doesn't help your agenda either.


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