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Old 12-17-2012, 09:08 PM
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God forbid, but would she hit her target when she's shot at?
Let's hope we never find out.

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:10 PM
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I bet she manages to bring this to a vote. The real question is what will the House do? I'm inclined to say they go with it............the public is a bit adamant.
Who and what is "the public"? Who makes up "the public"? Are we discussing something known as "public sentiment"? Are we talking "majority rule"? (democracy). Did Feinstein receive ten million certified mail letters in the last 72 hours demanding that she place this issue on the table?

I'd like to meet this so-called "public" so that we could have a sit down discussion on current issues........
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:10 PM
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God forbid, but would she hit her target when she's shot at?
Good question. I hope we never have to learn that.

I recall an Army marksmanship study (not sure whether it was post Korea or post Vietnam, hell it may have been post WWII!), trust me on this .......

Anyway, they found that a large percent of American soldiers in combat never fired their weapon. Of those who did fire, few of them aimed.

So the army changed from circular, bull's-eye targets to silhouette targets and the percentage of soldiers shooting to kill increased. Nowadays we train as we fight. Our soldiers are far more lethal today than at any time in American history, regardless of weapon. Most will shoot to kill.

And this is why the special operations forces use live fire training. Not only must they shoot first and accurately, they must not shoot each other. Live rounds makes people take shyte seriously.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:13 PM
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Time for complete firearm registration.
Possessing an unregistered weapon, serious consequences, prison time.
Having your weapon used in a crime by any person and you are on the hook as well.
Accidental shootings due to negligence revokes your right to own firearms.
Sales of unregistered weapons, huge prison time.
Oh yeah, that will be complied with.

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:18 PM
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Or a knife.
A knife doesn't impart the feeling of huge power to the bearer the same way a gun does. And it's not nearly as deadly. Imagine if the school principle has lunged at Lanza and all he held was a big knife. She looks fairly strong and healthy in pictures I've seen. A good chance she could have wrestled with him successfully enough to live while loudly calling for help, perhaps sustaining a few cuts. One can fight on with a cut or two short of a lucky slash to the neck, or a full on stab in the chest. You pick up a chair and prevent that.

The gun enabled his weenie ass to utterly dispatch anyone who came at him, short of 20 people rushing him at once which didn't happen and is unlikely to happen.

All due respects all, the 'knife' argument is way past tired.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:20 PM
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A few home made pipe bomb knives?


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Old 12-17-2012, 09:26 PM
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Oh yeah, that will be complied with.

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Not intending to take anything.
Register what you got or take your chances.
All new sales, registered.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:27 PM
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Ah, so the blood is on your hands.
Look, if you accept that the state is there to provide a monopoly on the service of protection, then arguing in favor of more personal security is moot. Now it becomes how does the state do it's job best. This guy gets it:
Paragould Daily Press: Serving Greene County, Arkansas > Top Story
Once they hassle a few undocumented aliens the feds will put a stop to that.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:28 PM
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A knife doesn't impart the feeling of huge power to the bearer the same way a gun does. And it's not nearly as deadly. Imagine if the school principle has lunged at Lanza and all he held was a big knife. She looks fairly strong and healthy in pictures I've seen. A good chance she could have wrestled with him successfully enough to live while loudly calling for help, perhaps sustaining a few cuts. One can fight on with a cut or two short of a lucky slash to the neck, or a full on stab in the chest. You pick up a chair and prevent that.

The gun enabled his weenie ass to utterly dispatch anyone who came at him, short of 20 people rushing him at once which didn't happen and is unlikely to happen.

All due respects all, the 'knife' argument is way past tired.
By golly, I'm impressed! So much psychology, so few facts!

Here are some facts that might be fun for you to consider:
8% of violent crimes are committed with firearms (not broken down by type -- too bad).
6% by knife (not broken down by type -- too bad).
7% by blunt objects (not broken down by type -- too bad).
73% by NO WEAPON

Apparently people really do use their giant penis extenders to commit violent crime more than they use either guns or knives.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Weapon Use by Offense Type
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:29 PM
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The fact that gun control provably does not work means nothing in here.


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Old 12-17-2012, 09:32 PM
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Not intending to take anything.
Register what you got or take your chances.
All new sales, registered.
The only reasons to register guns is to take them and to raise revenue while doing it. Let the gun owners fund the gun grab.

A piece of paper won't save a life but sometimes a gun will.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:35 PM
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Good question. I hope we never have to learn that.

I recall an Army marksmanship study (not sure whether it was post Korea or post Vietnam, hell it may have been post WWII!), trust me on this .......

Anyway, they found that a large percent of American soldiers in combat never fired their weapon. Of those who did fire, few of them aimed.

So the army changed from circular, bull's-eye targets to silhouette targets and the percentage of soldiers shooting to kill increased. Nowadays we train as we fight. Our soldiers are far more lethal today than at any time in American history, regardless of weapon. Most will shoot to kill.

And this is why the special operations forces use live fire training. Not only must they shoot first and accurately, they must not shoot each other. Live rounds makes people take shyte seriously.
After World War One the US Army did a study and found that over 100,000 rounds were fired for each enemy killed. They knew then something was not working, so the answer was to increase training time on the range.

The results in World War Two were much the same. Your comment takes over where this one leaves off.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:40 PM
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Good question. I hope we never have to learn that.

I recall an Army marksmanship study (not sure whether it was post Korea or post Vietnam, hell it may have been post WWII!), trust me on this .......

Anyway, they found that a large percent of American soldiers in combat never fired their weapon. Of those who did fire, few of them aimed.

So the army changed from circular, bull's-eye targets to silhouette targets and the percentage of soldiers shooting to kill increased. Nowadays we train as we fight. Our soldiers are far more lethal today than at any time in American history, regardless of weapon. Most will shoot to kill.

And this is why the special operations forces use live fire training. Not only must they shoot first and accurately, they must not shoot each other. Live rounds makes people take shyte seriously.
I've never been shot at directly. When I was around 15 years old I was in a large crowd, approximately 250 yards from me I saw a car driving full speed in to the crowd aiming straight for me. Everything was in slow motion, saw the driver looking at me, saw the female passenger screaming in panic next to him, saw people flying in to the air. I couldn't move, I was just standing there looking at the event in front of me. Was it not for someone pulling me out of harms way I would have been dead or injured.

I always think about that event when something like this happens; what would I do now? I don't think it would be much different and I'm pretty sure that's for most of us, armed or not.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:41 PM
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The only reasons to register guns is to take them and to raise revenue while doing it. Let the gun owners fund the gun grab.

A piece of paper won't save a life but sometimes a gun will.
No, that is not the only reason. May be the reason that you fear most while you sit in the dark with foil headgear and clean the guns....

This goes beyond the shooter at Sandy Hook. This is to address the vast numbers of illegal and unregistered weapons floating about on our city streets.

Guns should be as regulated as cars, especially as so many like to point out how dangerous cars are.....

I bet pieces of paper have saved WAY more lives than guns.
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This thread is intellectually dishonest for another reason.

We all know that our elected officials don't write legislation. Lobbyists and staff for monied interests write laws and pay (bribe) our representatives to propose them and vote for them.

If legislation is passed it will be in the best interests of the monied powers that be and to hell with the people and thier kids.

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