Gen. II-616/ 617 Sanden style A/C Compressor Mounting Kit For Sale + Install Inst. - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

ROLLGUY · #16 04-13-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BillGrissom

I didn't get the allen-head screws since wasn't sure that upgrade is required. I'll find out, assuming my son drives the car home.

The others don't need to be allen bolts, but the 2 compressor bolts should be.
You will find it much easier to install the inboard compressor bolt if it is an allen. The 2 bolts I now supply are alloy, and are stronger than grade 8. Grade 8 are just fine, but the standard hardware bolts (grade 3) are not good enough. All the bolts in the kits I sell are grade 5 or better.

ROLLGUY · #17 04-29-2013, 03:46 PM

I will have hose assemblies available soon, and will have compressors available sooner. The parts will be available as a complete kit (bracket, hose assemblies, compressor, drier) or each sold separately. The problem will be that I only have hose assemblies for non-turbo models with Sanden rear port fittings available right now. The turbo models have a different low side hard pipe (on top of the engine that bolts to the fuel filter stand and thermostat housing bracket), and I don't have any right now to modify. I will require a core charge on the pipe if your old one is not sent prior to buying the hose assemblies. The compressors I will have available will come with the "K" style rear port head. I will try to offer the best price I can in order to be competitive.

Stay tuned for more info on pricing and availability....Rich

ROLLGUY · #18 05-02-2013, 12:59 PM

123 with a Sanden and R134a: vent temps

ROLLGUY · #19 05-23-2013, 04:04 PM

I just got finished installing a parallel flow condenser and hose kit in my neighbors 300D. The 16X20 parallel flow condenser was purchased on ebay motors.

The rest of the hoses and compressor:

I am able to make all the hoses in house now, and can also make custom hoses. I try to use steel fitting whenever possible....Rich PM or email: wvobenzs@yahoo.com

Codifex Maximus · #20 05-27-2013, 12:27 AM

That installation sure looks pretty.

bricktron · #21 06-03-2013, 03:36 PM

great work, rich. the more of the kit you can supply, the easier this mod sounds!

for a non-AC car, how many parts are needed inboard of the firewall? is an AC car's airbox and AC controls the extent of it?

ROLLGUY · #22 06-03-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bricktron

great work, rich. the more of the kit you can supply, the easier this mod sounds!

for a non-AC car, how many parts are needed inboard of the firewall? is an AC car's airbox and AC controls the extent of it?

I am not sure, as I have never seen a non-A/C 'Benz with a 616/617. I can only assume you would need an A/C equipped car as a donor for the parts.

dieseldiehard · #23 06-03-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

I just got finished installing a parallel flow condenser and hose kit in my neighbors 300D. The 16X20 parallel flow condenser was purchased on ebay motors.

I am able to make all the hoses in house now, and can also make custom hoses. I try to use steel fitting whenever possible....Rich PM or email: wvobenzs@yahoo.com

PM sent asking about hoses.
I have a Sanden.
I need to obtain the condenser so I sent an Email to ackits.com, they are very helpful and hopefully will find something suitable, I know they sold one to another Forum member so I would like to get the same size and I would rather use them than eBay.

Question: Are you using a pusher fan in front of the condenser?
I don't see the other half of the OE bracket that held it and the horns.
DDH

ROLLGUY · #24 06-03-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseldiehard

Question: Are you using a pusher fan in front of the condenser?
I don't see the other half of the OE bracket that held it and the horns.
DDH

The photo was taken before the fan was installed. It is the stock condenser fan and wiring.

ROLLGUY · #25 06-03-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseldiehard

PM sent asking about hoses.
I have a Sanden.
I need to obtain the condenser so I sent an Email to ackits.com, they are very helpful and hopefully will find something suitable, I know they sold one to another Forum member so I would like to get the same size and I would rather use them than eBay.

As long as the condenser is NOT wider than 20", it should fit. A few inches are needed for the hoses to have room to connect. Most of the PF condensers available now are universal units that are made in China, so chances are you will be getting the exact same condenser, regardless of who you buy it from.

Doktor Bert · #26 06-03-2013, 08:03 PM

I'm on my third R4 compressor. The original went over 300,000 miles and receipts show it was replaced at ********e Montclair, California in the early 1990's. I resealed this one twice, but it never went out mechanically. It was smashed in my son's April 2006 wreck on SR 99 near Kingsburg.

The 'new' R4 was pulled from a W116 with a bad engine and resealed/inspected. It's been running now for about 60,000 miles.

I think the fact that I only run R-12 and precisely measure my oil and refrigerant has a lot to do with my compressor longevity.

When this one goes out, I may do the Sanden swap. The pieces look good...

HINT: If you need an R4, and cannot afford the Sanden, look for the 'service replacement' model easily found on Cadillacs in Pik-N-Pull. It is easy to flip the front bearing retainer and replace the front seal. You pull the front retainer and swap in the new seal with it on the bench, then use the seal protector and install the retainer back in place.

bricktron · #27 06-03-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

I am not sure, as I have never seen a non-A/C 'Benz with a 616/617. I can only assume you would need an A/C equipped car as a donor for the parts.

fair enough and thanks. this post by SurfRodder is the best explanation i have found so far: Add air conditioning to W123?

ROLLGUY · #28 06-06-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

Although the testing of the Gen 1 bracket on my SD has been successful and without issues, the Gen 2 bracket has had some issues that I need those of you that have one to be aware of. A while back, I noticed some rattling from the engine bay and found a broken bolt on the top mounting tab of the compressor. I replaced it, and a few weeks later, the nut was gone. Just yesterday I was showing someone the bracket, and I noticed that the nut on the long bolt (12mm) was gone. I mistakenly have been using/providing nylon locking nuts with the kit, but have found that they are backing out and/or breaking (most likely because of heat). I am going to supply all metal lock nuts with the kits from now on. If you have a kit and have not installed it yet, I suggest you (1) PM me your address and I will send you replacements, or (2) go to your local fastener supplier and purchase them. For the Gen 1 kit you will need 4- 3/8 24 all metal lock nuts, and the Gen 2 takes 8- 3/8 all metal lock nuts, and one M12 lock nut. Actually, the only place the Gen 2 really needs them is on the long bolt (M12), and the two compressor to plate bolts. If you would like me to send you the nuts, please send me a private message with your address and which bracket you have, and I would be happy to send them. If you choose to just buy them, I am ok with that as well. Even though you may not have the nut problems I have been having, it is a good idea to replace them anyway. Thanks in advance for your understanding, Rich

Along with the above fastener update, I have found that the belt that was sent with the kits is too long. The 15385 belts I had were for the Gen 1 kit. The proper belt is a 15375 (one inch shorter). If your adjustment screw is all the way out, your belt is too long. The photo below is with the long belt:

The proper belt length should look like this:

If your belt is too long, I would be happy to send you the proper belt, or you can purchase one locally. Please let me know. Thanks, Rich

ROLLGUY · #29 06-15-2013, 11:47 AM

I have finally got all the equipment and supplies on hand to make complete hose assemblies. The price for the low and high side hoses is $80 + $20 S/H/I:

The price includes the modifying of your low side hard pipe (sent to me with $, modified, and sent back to you with the complete hose kit).

I also have the extra high side hose that is needed when using a parallel flow condenser. $20 additional when ordered with a hose kit (no additional postage):

I also have the ability to make the #12 low side hose that connects to the TXV, and the other end to the hard pipe:

$80 + $20 S/H/I I will need the fitting (metal tube connected to the TXV) and other parts from your old hose (sleeves and rubber rub rings).

ROLLGUY · #30 06-15-2013, 04:55 PM

For all of you who have purchased a Gen II kit, I have another update. I am planning on making another bracket to help secure the bottom of the compressor mounting plate. It will mount using longer bolts in 3 of the pan bolt holes, and nuts on the top. Another hole (1/2") is drilled in the compressor mounting plate .625 from each edge. Here is a look at the prototype:

Location of drilled hole:

The bracket is needed more for the 616 application, but I have prototypes made for both the 616 & 617 turbo (they are different). I am not sure if the 617 N/A has the same lower pan as the turbo. If it is different, I will need to make a third bracket. From now on, all of the plates will have the hole drilled in them, and the bracket should be available shortly. If you have a plate already installed, it is possible to drill the hole without removing the compressor. I will post here when the brackets are available, and send them to those that have already purchased a kit....Rich

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