Diesels may be banned from the road soon?? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

sloride · #16 05-12-2019, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stretch

"They" will do exactly what ever "they" want.

If they want to ban diesels from the road - of any age - that's exactly what they will do. Europe is different from the US of A as a whole but it isn't that different from California where attitudes towards pollution and the causes of pollution are not too dissimilar. In Europe the use of diesels is getting to be more and more anti-social.

The days of the internal combustion engine are limited. Look at the Tesla model 3 - sure it is yet another electric car that's not quite as convenient as one powered by an internal combustion engine (at the moment) but it is a pretty impressive vehicle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40

It isn't even mega mega silly heavy with "all of those batteries"

Disregarding the potential point of use pollution advantages - electric motors are just better - batteries are getting better and better (even though it isn't 100% clear to me at least if they are actually producing less pollution).

From a "petrol head" perspective:- At this rate you're not going to want diesel engines or any other internal combustion engine

The next big thing on this forum is probably going to be electric conversions for our nice old characterful jalopies...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-electric-vehicle-fee-illinois-20190509-story.html

Looks like the midwest equivalent to Cali is inviting diesels.

Garagefull · #17 05-12-2019, 08:38 PM

A recent article in I believe the Wall Street journal stated the automakers here in the US would eventually have no choice but two switch us to an electric fleet. They posted a wide range of numbers, but the cost of emission equipment and certification and design represented a pretty good chunk of the price of a car.I believe they were saying that it averaged out to between 3 and $7,000 per unit.

Garagefull · #18 05-12-2019, 08:43 PM

As stated on here somewhere, the injection systems on diesel Mercedes will pass a gallstone.so a few of us will be able to hang on with waste oils and crude oil and such. I suppose in the future diesel and gasoline will become niche markets that will price most out of being able to use them for daily transportation. I drove a 12.5 to 1 compression ratio big block Mopar as a daily driver for many years. Racing fuel finally got so expensive I couldn't justify it anymore. In the US we don't pass laws, they just price you out of forbidden behavior.lol

Stretch · #19 05-13-2019, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sloride

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-electric-vehicle-fee-illinois-20190509-story.html

Looks like the midwest equivalent to Cali is inviting diesels.

I'll probably regret making the following comments but politics is inherently lazy

"Picking" on diesel is just like plucking the low lying fruit - if "they" really wanted to put a dent in pollution they'd be banning air travel...

oldsinner111 · #20 05-13-2019, 07:14 AM

malhe which makes diesel pistons,is going wide open,and planning expansions, for their steel pistons.

Mxfrank · #21 05-13-2019, 07:40 AM

You're all worried about your engines. You should be worried about your steering wheels:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/the-fight-for-the-right-to-drive

sloride · #22 05-13-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stretch

I'll probably regret making the following comments but politics is inherently lazy

"Picking" on diesel is just like plucking the low lying fruit - if "they" really wanted to put a dent in pollution they'd be banning air travel...

So true. What makes the most sense usually costs votes. See tariff thread here.

oldsinner111 · #23 05-13-2019, 09:07 AM

audii in 2015 made diesel fuel from carbon already in our air.

Zulfiqar · #24 05-13-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

The CX5 diesel is completely pointless.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/mazda-cx-5-diesel/2100006704/

the torque from it will be quite nice - Todays trend is all about low rpm torque.

Zulfiqar · #25 05-13-2019, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stretch

I'll probably regret making the following comments but politics is inherently lazy

"Picking" on diesel is just like plucking the low lying fruit - if "they" really wanted to put a dent in pollution they'd be banning air travel...

That wont ever happen - too much money of the bigs invested in it. - The hue and cry of pollution, corruption, lochness monsters and other similar items are always aimed at us poor peasants - the nobles always get a pass even if their cigar lighters are actual oil rig fires.

algeria · #26 05-14-2019, 10:03 AM

I emailed Mercedes asking, when their next diesel will come out and even though they produce a diesel Sprinter they said they have no plans for new diesel car. I wanted to buy a new one while I still could but it looks like I am too late. It looks like I will be driving my 1985 300CD and 2005 E320 CDi ( gets up to 43 MPG ) until I can't get parts for them. BMW just canceled their diesel cars. I hope I am wrong but the writing is on the wall. The diesel is dead long live diesel power.

tjts1 · #27 05-14-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulfiqar

the torque from it will be quite nice - Todays trend is all about low rpm torque.

The turbocharged gas engine has the same torque with more HP at far lower cost. The diesel cx5 is completely pointless.

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111

audii in 2015 made diesel fuel from carbon already in our air.

Don't forget unicorn farts and pixie dust. The energy market is very price sensitive. It doesn't matter what you do in a lab if you can't do it economically.

Garagefull · #28 05-14-2019, 11:42 AM

The company that I work for is on almost every drilling rig on the east coast of the United States. This will be my 28th year of working in this industry. I have seen the efficiencies built into the industry during this time. The efficiency of retrieving usable hydrocarbon will never be matched in a lab environment in our lifetime. Biomass per BTU produced is far less efficient than the hydrocarbon derived from conventional drilling.I read all the trade publications about the biomass and such and their data simply is manipulated. The same goes for electric cars. By the time the batteries are produced, the pollution far outweighs the benefit. This will come down to simply who is allowed to pollute in the supply stream, whether it be batteries, biomass or hydrogen.

Garagefull · #29 05-14-2019, 11:50 AM

May I suggest reading the world economic forum November 28th 2017 to fully understand the environmental impact of lithium batteries. The break-even pollution point is over 9 years. Most battery packs won't even last that long. California passed a law requiring fuel to be carbon neutral. Well unless California can change physics or chemistry.. carbon is the energy.. this is the approach that proves that politicians are worthless.

Shern · #30 05-14-2019, 01:19 PM

I too am reluctant to wade into this but am also very skeptical of this claim.

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Originally Posted by Garagefull

By the time the batteries are produced, the pollution far outweighs the benefit.

At the very least, centralizing emissions to a power plant with modern technology is almost certainly better than spreading it across thousands of ICEs. I think "pollution" can be a very squirrelly term. If we're talking about landfills, perhaps. If we're talking about emissions, I cannot see how that statement can be even remotely true. (though I am happy to read any and all proprietary sources/studies on the matter!)