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Old 01-27-2001, 03:58 PM
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I have an '88 300E which I just purchased, but it has a synthetic engine oil in it. I want to replace it with regular engine oil since I have never seen this type before (and can't find any) and don't really like synthetics anyway. Is there a certain procedure to follow or should I just do a normal oil/filter change (and maybe flush)? Appreciate your recommendation.
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Old 01-27-2001, 04:26 PM
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Abaloneman,

Welcome to this forum. You will find good information and helpful people here.

You say you just acquired your car. Well, before doing away with the synthetic oil for good, may I suggest that you do a search on engine oils here? I think you will find a majority opinion that synthetics are the best you can do for your engine.

As to availability, Mobil 1 synthetic seems to be sold everywhere, auto supply stores, Wal-Mart, etc., almost anywhere motor oil is sold.

However, if you are determined to return to dino lubrication, flushing is not required. The oils are compatible. A normal drain and refill will be okay.

Have a good day and good luck.
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Old 01-27-2001, 05:32 PM
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Dino oil. Pennz 20-50w for 170,000 miles and looking toward 200,000 miles without the engine ever being opened. Boy if I would have used the high priced spread i may have made 300,000 mile, what do you think? But at this point, I wonder how much($)I've saved?
Duck for the cannon will roar on this subject.

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Old 01-27-2001, 07:28 PM
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I should add that the engine is placarded with a plastic note saying NOT to add regular oil ... that the engine is "permanently lubricated with SYN! SH+". I've never heard of this lubricant and can't find it to add to crankcase. The lube level is getting down towards add, and I want to change it anyway since I have no record of when it was changed last.
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Old 01-27-2001, 08:17 PM
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This is just a guess but, you should ask what is the name of the engine break-in oil. Also, it might also be a oil additive but, remind you this is just a guess.
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Old 01-27-2001, 08:21 PM
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Have to admit, I have never heard of that oil or anything like it either. Are you in the United States? Perhaps someone else in this forum can shed some light on that note.
However, I would take the note with a grain of salt in any event, because, as far as I know, nothing "permanently lubricates" an automobile engine.

Mr Swinford's comments are well taken. Given the crankcase capacity of MB automobiles and the recommended frequency of changing the oil, synthetic can be a quite expensive option. Frankly, I have always used dino oil in my MB and so far, so good. When my car was new, synthetic was not among the oils recommended by MB, if it even existed then.

There is a strong feeling among many that changing the oil frequently and properly is more important than which type you use. (You will likely receive some advice from member Larry Bible, our resident guru of oil changing, before this thread is ended ) It is my opinion that you can do whatever pleases you about oil type at this point, just get some fresh oil into that engine.

Now, I am going to duck for cover.
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Old 01-27-2001, 11:58 PM
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You do as you wish. Don't be mislead by me or anyone. Any oil will lubricate your engine. It's the additives that make the difference.

Change it while it's at the low level instead of filling it with any brand of synthetic at ?/$/qt. Filter too.

After the change you may consider an earlier next change.

Do it from the top side. I have build material and instructions for one for less than $25.00.

Happy Trails Beep Beep from El Cheapo Houston.

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Old 01-28-2001, 01:04 AM
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In the Bunker with Ted2222 & Mr. Swinford...

There are more threads started this way, and they all go to "flaming folders" in minutes.

I did a search on "SYN! SH+", and couldn't find anything. Change the oil, use what you want to. If you want to be educated, check out http://www.redline.com, or http://www.mobil.com for information on synthetic oil. Mercedes ships all of their new cars with Mobil 1 in the crankcase, even during break-in...

Do a search on this forum using the tool on the upper right hand corner, Search "topsider" and "oil", You will be amazed, I assure you. Personally, I have had synthetic in my car for the past 80,000 of the total 208,000 on the odometer.

And, Mr. Swinford, I must insist, sir, that you supply me with the information on building my own topsider post haste. As a courtesy, of course.

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Old 01-28-2001, 10:59 PM
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I am preparing the pictures for my El Cheapo Topsider Oil Changer and the El Cheapo Pressure One Man Brake Bleeder. Ashman presented my Pictures of Donald's Cool Ram Air and he did a marvelous job. Now if I can impose on his generiousity again, you will get the pictures and literates too. Some members have asked for pictures of my repainted '87 300E. I may show it at the same time, provided I have some digitals of Him.

I'm glad someone besides myself is aware of the Redline Synthetic oil. I've always beem reluctunt to bring up this subject because it just brings up the same old stuff again. But if I was going that way it would be my choice, Red Line.

Don't give up on me getting the pictures and literals to the forum.

Happy Trails Beep Beep from slow polk Houston.

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Old 01-28-2001, 11:38 PM
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Donald, As always, send em to me and I'll put em up.

On another note, I bought a topsider from BoatUS.com and it was only $29.99

Found them at other places, JC Whitney and WestMarine for $47.00 so I couldn't pass up on the one at boatus.com

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Old 01-29-2001, 12:33 AM
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My El Cheapo Topsider Oil Change Pump isn't a Top Sider. It is a 12 volt electric pump that I've attached to a Goff 2 1/2 gallon gas container. I attached the pump through the handle with the discharge into the container's vent hole. When it becomes full, off to Wal Mart and I dump it into their bulk waste tank.

You did well buying yours. Is it a hand vacuum pump? Or is it electric? Any way you're going to be pleased.

Do ypu have the "Cap" Type Oil filter socket? If NO, I would suggest you get one for it makes removing a disposable filter so much easier.

Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

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Old 01-29-2001, 02:15 AM
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Mr. Swinford (LONGS-TOE?), et al,

YES! I have RedLine in my Crankcase, Transmission, Fuel system (85+), and my Rear End, Uh, strike that, I meant to say, Differential...

The high dollar oil change rigs (marine) are electric 12v pump systems that dump into a 5 gallon plastic bucket and sell from about $120: http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/Browse.asp?ShowItem=16466 to $150: http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/Browse.asp?ShowItem=16475 Super efficient, super fast, and echoes an obscure reference Willy Nelson once made about "Keno Girls".

The "TopSider" is a manual pump that looks like a bizarre cross-breeding of an old T-handle bicycle tire pump, and the equally old style flat circular bottom, rounded top gas cans of the '60's. The intent being to create vacuum in the tank by use of the manual pump, release the clip holding the oil drain tube closed, and consequently removes the oil as a result in the artificailly induced change in atmospheric pressure. http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/Browse.asp?ShowItem=16467 But it is listed for $39.99. Alon?

Their complete line of Marine oil changers may be viewed at: http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/Browse.asp?ShowItem=1708

These guys even have a pump that even Larry Bible might like because not only is it permanently mounted, it drains the oil from the oil drain plug!: http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/Browse.asp?ShowItem=16464 SWEET!

BUT! I'm dying to see what you have created...

[Edited by longston on 01-29-2001 at 01:19 AM]
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Old 01-29-2001, 02:54 AM
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Synthetic vs mineral

Synthetic oil is about 4 times the price of mineral oil. For that price it has to be 4 times better, but is it? If you use mineral oil and change it twice as often, you're still money ahead. I'm voting for Castrol 10W40.
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Old 01-29-2001, 03:26 AM
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More than you ever wanted to know about oil.

I'm currently boilding an artcar out of two Suzuki bikes and came across the GS resource site. Someone did the research on quite a few lubricants. More than you ever wanted to know about oil.
Check out this link
http://www.gsresources.com/oil.html

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Old 01-29-2001, 03:36 AM
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Harry,

Vote when and where you choose, but please do your homework on the subject first? Your math really don't add up, cuz. Go to the websites that I suggested, and then answer this question: Isn't Mobil 1 at least "4 times better"? AND Remember that Mercedes Ships All Of It's Cars From The Factory Now With Mobil 1 In The Crankcase!

What are we all going to do when there IS NO MORE "mineral" (read dinosaur squeezin's) oil? Face it, we ain't got no more dinosaurs to make that stuff from...

Trust me, folks, let's all face the facts, synthetic oil is both more ecological, and it is the wave of the future.

P.S. Stefan, they also have "More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Additives", You're preachin' to the choir, Son.
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