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Old 12-17-2012, 01:05 PM
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Still didn't answer the question "why now and not before?" I whole hardily agree that more effort needs to be put into identification of at risk individuals.
The technology to identify sociopaths and psychopaths exists currently. It is a type of functional MRI brain scan that uses specialized software. It has been demonstrated on several cable shows and is reliable. Why not put every man, woman and child through a fMRI brain scan and find out who they are? Then, inject them with drugs that will make them passive and send them off to Alcatraz island where they can't do anyone any harm.

The FBI estimates that 1 in 100 people is a psychopath. Run the numbers for your city or town. Why not get rid of them now? Why wait for more mass killings? If we can identify the nuts before they go postal, why not?

Of course, as soon as this idea takes off, the ACLU will move to file suit to stop it.

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Maybe because of the breakdown of the family? Or the lack of respect for lifes of others? Maybe this person was placed on Ritalin or some other drug because he was labled "hyperactive"?

Maybe he never got shown the "business" end of a belt or a paddle?

There are 100's if not 1000's of reasons why people do some horrific things to each other.
Could be though I think studies tend to conclude that whacking kids tends to increase their propensity toward violence.

I think in general there has been a increased breakdown in community and we have become a more isolationist materialistically focussed society. Could be wrong though
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:07 PM
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Arming schools, malls, theaters or what have you should be the last resort. By the time the person with a gun is in a school it is too late. The children are at risk.

We are no looking to give every one a nuke, we are seeking to prevent Iran from getting on as well as preventing the proliferation of nuke any farther than they are. By the time Iran gets a nuke its to late.

Same with guns. By the time the gun man is in the school or near the school or has a gun its too late. So the school is armed. The gun man finds another target of opportunity. Loss to a mall or a theater or where ever. Even if there are other armed people around a few people are going to die before someone figures out who is shooting. A few people draw their weapons and start shooting at people who have a gun.

Playing controls and restrictions on the purchase and distribution of weapons is not infringing on people rights and in a few generations perhaps we can start being the reduction of weapons in the hands of those who should not have them.
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The technology to identify sociopaths and psychopaths exists currently. It is a type of functional MRI brain scan that uses specialized software. It has been demonstrated on several cable shows and is reliable. Why not put every man, woman and child through a fMRI brain scan and find out who they are? Then, inject them with drugs that will make them passive and send them off to Alcatraz island where they can't do anyone any harm.

The FBI estimates that 1 in 100 people is a psychopath. Run the numbers for your city or town. Why not get rid of them now? Why wait for more mass killings? If we can identify the nuts before they go postal, why not?

Of course, as soon as this idea takes off, the ACLU will move to file suit to stop it.
Is that percentage higher now than before? If so why if not what has changed that has lead to these school shootings?
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The technology to identify sociopaths and psychopaths exists currently. It is a type of functional MRI brain scan that uses specialized software. It has been demonstrated on several cable shows and is reliable. Why not put every man, woman and child through a fMRI brain scan and find out who they are? Then, inject them with drugs that will make them passive and send them off to Alcatraz island where they can't do anyone any harm.

The FBI estimates that 1 in 100 people is a psychopath. Run the numbers for your city or town. Why not get rid of them now? Why wait for more mass killings? If we can identify the nuts before they go postal, why not?

Of course, as soon as this idea takes off, the ACLU will move to file suit to stop it.
You think the ACLU will be the only one fighting that idea? Seriously?
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Wouldn't we also be training the wackos to be better shots, ala 9/11 flight school? The only difference between us and Switzerland is sheer population size and racial backgrounds. They also might overall be a "happier" country with fewer outcasts and misfits. It would be worth knowing for sure.
I agree, happy young men don't shoot little girls
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Is that percentage higher now than before? If so why if not what has changed that has lead to these school shootings?
without running everyone through an fMRI, the numbers are only estimates. Medical technology using fMRI has progressed DRAMATICALLY in the last ten years. They are real close to literally reading your mind. and, though that idea may be scary to some, I see a big advantage of being able to identify a nut job before he/she decides to go postal.

Why ban guns (a non-thinking object) when you can ban bad people?
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Could be though I think studies tend to conclude that whacking kids tends to increase their propensity toward violence.

I think in general there has been a increased breakdown in community and we have become a more isolationist materialistically focussed society. Could be wrong though
The breakdown of society in general? My parents never locked there doors until the mid 80's. That small city I grew up in is now a cess pool of dope heads, reliefers, and alcoholics.

A few months ago one idiot fire bombed a bar because they cut him off!!
Sad to say it is a different world we live in now.
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You think the ACLU will be the only one fighting that idea? Seriously?
Now that you mention it, both the ACLU and Psychopaths will fight it.
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Far easier to regulate the distribution of weapons.

Just as it is to regulate the distribution of illegal drugs.
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The breakdown of society in general? My parents never locked there doors until the mid 80's. That small city I grew up in is now a cess pool of dope heads, reliefers, and alcoholics.

A few months ago one idiot fire bombed a bar because they cut him off!!
Sad to say it is a different world we live in now.
One shift which has occurred is the number of boys being raised by single moms. I suspect given the Dad's job he wasn't around a whole lot before they split up. According to the aunt he hadn't seen the boy since June.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:36 PM
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My Mrs would leave her purse with the gun in it sitting in the library or somewhere and a kid would get the gun and play with it.

I would not be against training and arming some teachers who have aptitude for it and possbily already are experienced with guns.

But arming all of them is not a viable idea.
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You think those kids being raised by single mom's in impoverished areas ever get an opportunity to play violent video games?
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I talked about two minutes with my lunch buddies about this and had to cut off the conversation because their position was that there is nothing that can be done about this problem.

they began raising their voices until they were shouting when I disagreed and said there are things that can be done.
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I talked about two minutes with my lunch buddies about this and had to cut off the conversation because their position was that there is nothing that can be done about this problem.

they began raising their voices until they were shouting when I disagreed and said there are things that can be done.
We are truly lost if we yield to this defeatist mentality.

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