Sure! It just seemed like the best way to describe it .
I can understand the cotton totally, I just don't get why it's got dirt in it. That seems counterproductive to me... I don't mean sawdust or twigs, I mean plain ol' dirt (granted there isn't a lot). I'm still going to use the one I have left (broke teenager syndrome), but I don't get why a dirty filter would be better that a clean one (as long as it is very well packed).

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What you call 'dirt' is part of the cotton as it comes off the plant.. In order to separate it out you would also have to separate the cotton fibers which would reduce their density and ability to filter. None of it can get into your oil system and all of it works to filter your oil.

You're freaking out about nothing. Mann is still the best filter you can use.

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Fram cotton is better than mann if thats what the mann cotton looks like.

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Didn't you just take apart a MANN filter?

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Is the cotton the bypass filter section? I've read that soot is too small for most oil filters. The only kind that are effective on soot is the toilet paper type bypass filter.

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yes, the cotton is the "bypass" section... it is more effective than the paper is.

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So the filters without the bypass cotton section like the Wix (100% pleated?) is less effective?

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Fram is notorious for making some of the worst spin-on filters on the market. I would never use a Fram filter on any of my cars. Period.

The larger top section of the filter which is filled with cotton is the primary filtration, or "bypass"... the FSM refers to this as "finely filtered oil" which goes back to the oil pan. The lower pleated section of the filter is the "full-flow" section, this goes out to the main oil gallery in the engine block. See FSM Group 18 for details.

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Yes.

Did you even look at the pictures? The cotton field mowing aren't even sealed into the filter. There is a direct path for dirt to get into your engine.

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What are you talking about? You make it sound like you can shake a new filter and have dirt fall out of it.

I buy STP filters which have mahnn stamped on them

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Except for coming in an orange box, the Fram CH2930 filter has no relationship whatsoever to Fram spin-on oil filters.

In that case, what is being "bypassed?"

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Anything that passes through the bypass filter goes into the sump and is then refiltered by the paper section of the filter before going into the engine.

I'm not sure people have a good understanding of how the MB bypass filter works. Maybe that's the real problem.

Do we really need 2 active threads on this subject?

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