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pawoSD · #16 09-25-2009, 01:00 AM

In Europe they have much more strict laws and regulation on stuff like ambulance chasers....we really need to adopt more of what they are doing over there....everything from how they run health car to a lot of people driving diesels!

aklim · #17 09-25-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

In Europe they have much more strict laws and regulation on stuff like ambulance chasers....we really need to adopt more of what they are doing over there....everything from how they run health car to a lot of people driving diesels!

If you like it so much, why don't you move there for a long while? As a tourist years ago, the USA looked absolutely fabulous. After staying a few years, I realized that there were many good points and it was still the best place but it too had it's share of issues. The thing is you cannot simply pull one or two ideas and make it work that easily. To me, it is like seeing my neighbor having a new "S" class every year and adopting that. It will take more than that and many more things will have to change to make that happen. My GM head has better sealing than the 5.0 Mustang head but just bolting that on will not work.

IIRC, they say "The neighbor's grass always looks greener". To which, I say "The neighbor's grass is greener till you walk around in his yard and step into the potholes and the ****".

kknudson · #18 09-25-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I see this in society at large to, just look at the lawyer labels on everything, its nuts. People just are not taught responsiblity these days. Just look at all the nanny state things in cars these days. My truck will yell at me if I don't buckle up. But WTF I don't always want to buckle up. How does it know I am on public roads and not in a gravel yard?

Yes, my favorite label was on the bottom of those cloth towel loop devices in bathroom. Careful you can hang yourself.

Seat belts, well personally I wear mine all the time and I think everyone should.
But I do not like the government telling me that. Think of the money wasted on seatbelt enforcement, how about all of those signs and commericals, click it or ticket.
That should be a personal decision, If I choose to be launched though the windshield in an accident that is MY decision.

The legal system has removed the word 'accident' from dictionary.

Part of the issue too is the Deep pockets concept, sue everybody in a 20 mile radius somebodies got enough insurance to pay.

And many cases are settled for cost of defense, even if there is little or no reason to pay. If they can settle for 8k, knowing they would win in court but it would cost 10k, pay it.
Yes, some states have cost of defense laws, allowing recovery. But you have to spend money via a lawyer to file for it, and payouts are few and far between.

#19 09-25-2009, 07:21 AM

Back to the op. I completely agree I have seen countless people not admit "hey I F$cked up" Its hard to do I will admit but its the ADULT thing to do. There is a similar thread here in the forums about how "its not the drunk drivers fault...its the car manufactures fault." That is similar to "the gun killed people lets go after the manufacture!!!"

All of this leads to our current society of its not my fault, its someone elses...I did nothing wrong. No one is really an adult anymore, we all want someone to come and hold our hand and tell us its okay....its not your fault. Really the only thing we can do to help fight this is to instill in our kids/nieces/nephews, if you mess up admit its your fault, try to fix it and move on and learn a lesson from it.

Kuan · #20 09-25-2009, 08:47 AM

Yep. If it's under your roof it's your responsibility. If it's on your checkbook it's your responsibility. If it's your body it's your responsibility.

Although there are things people do to trick you, like putting melamine if pet food and diethylene glycol in toothpaste, or cheap booze in a single malt bottle.

Kuan · #21 09-25-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by iwrock

I see a bit of odd logic here. I dont see it as being a problem you created if a supplier had promised a given amount of product, and they failed to deliver it, on time.

It happens all the time. Used to happen to me all the time, and in my case it was always some $200 mistake with a case of beef or something.

But boy, my wife works on the end of the culinary spectrum, and when suppliers mishandle stuff it's like a $200k mistake.

#22 09-25-2009, 08:58 AM

Sorry I did not mean to imply that bad unexpected things don't happen and its not your fault.

aklim · #23 09-25-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

But I do not like the government telling me that.

Think of the money wasted on seatbelt enforcement, how about all of those signs and commericals, click it or ticket.

That should be a personal decision, If I choose to be launched though the windshield in an accident that is MY decision.

Therein lies the issue. Do they have the right to tell you that? Do your parents have the right to insist that you, a grown man, be home by midnight? The answer is "Yes" and "No". My parents have no right to tell me that because I don't lean on them financially. They tell me what they think is right but I can do what I want. OTOH, and here is where it gets interesting, IF I were to move back to the parents house, they can say "My house, my rules. Live within them or take a hike.". As to the govt, they can say that since you might be leaning on them for public assistance if you cannot pay, they tell you what to do. Much like Dad and Mom if you move in with them.

Read what you posted. Where do you think the money comes from besides your tickets? In spite of that, they are still making money.

That is the problem. Because the laws are set up so the hospital cannot toss you out if you cannot pay, you could be running on taxpayer's dimes. That means it is no longer your decision.

The Clk Man · #24 09-25-2009, 11:58 AM

I accept full responsibility for "myselves"

aklim · #25 09-25-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by helpplease

Back to the op. I completely agree I have seen countless people not admit "hey I F$cked up" Its hard to do I will admit but its the ADULT thing to do. There is a similar thread here in the forums about how "its not the drunk drivers fault...its the car manufactures fault." That is similar to "the gun killed people lets go after the manufacture!!!"

All of this leads to our current society of its not my fault, its someone elses...I did nothing wrong. No one is really an adult anymore, we all want someone to come and hold our hand and tell us its okay....its not your fault. Really the only thing we can do to help fight this is to instill in our kids/nieces/nephews, if you mess up admit its your fault, try to fix it and move on and learn a lesson from it.

Let me ask you a question. Who has more money. You or Ford (Not sure how much GM really has anymore.

)? Who has more money? You or Smith and Wesson? Here is another question. Which is the easier pill to swallow? "You are a f**ked up moron" or "Your problem stems from your father who was a such and so forth"?

Ah, but Sir, you can teach them all you want but society probably will teach them different. As I have said, it is all about the path of least resistance.

Fulcrum525 · #26 09-25-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerH860

I'm sure you have some interesting jury duty experiences to attest to that?

Probably they'd just toss you out in the jury pool at the hint of that attitude.

Shows like these make me think the end of humanity is getting closer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWvOMEsFZH0

I have that bookmarked on my computer at home

Absolutely classic. If it wasn't a small claims court I would have highered Judge Judy a long time ago

Back to Hatties point. I'm with him in that people don't take responsibility for their mistakes. Now I'd agree that 98% of Hatties mistakes are his own however he should cut himself a little slack. There are simply some things that happen that truly aren't his mistake no matter how much diligence he does. He can do his best to accommodate any unforeseen circumstances and how he handles them determines how good of a planner and decision maker he is and thus how successful he will be in business.

lutzTD · #27 09-25-2009, 12:43 PM

I was sued by a personal injury attorney. it did not go to trial but to a mediator. the mediation commitee was 3 injury attorneys and a judge, can you guess the outcome of that? luckily the lawyers somehow had access to my insurance, so they know just exactly how much to sue for and be able to collect.

funny facts from the mediation hearing.

the girl I hit (damage to a toyota camry was a truk lid only folded in about 12 inches. my truck was tall so it only affected the lid, no bumper or rear panel.) was about 5 feet tall and 180 lbs. on the stand, she testified that after the accident she could not longer teach arobics and run and play with the kids......

the doctor testimony, she had 5 doctors before the accident, said she did suffer from migraines before the accident, but they were in the back of her head, after the accident they were in the front.

yes she got awarded my insurance maximum coverage.

I too cannot wait to be hit, then it will be payback time.

HuskyMan · #28 09-25-2009, 12:58 PM

I recently heard a saying: "The professions are the enemy of the laymen".

the lawyer, the banker, the insurance agent, the dentist and the doctor all pretend to be your friend. but, when push comes to shove they will throw you under the bus IN A HEART BEAT. they are looking out for one thing and one thing only, HIP NATIONAL BANK.

the system feeds on and encourages "testaliars". these are people who have a financial interest in seeing that you get nailed. they have no problem in stretching the facts so that they can empty your wallet. I've come to realize it is best to either be mega rich or mega broke. the middle class gets screwed to a tree.

aklim · #29 09-25-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

the lawyer, the banker, the insurance agent, the dentist and the doctor all pretend to be your friend. but, when push comes to shove they will throw you under the bus IN A HEART BEAT. they are looking out for one thing and one thing only, HIP NATIONAL BANK.

It isn't just the banker, insurance agent, dentist and doctor. It is people in general. People pretend to be your friend for 1 reason. It sells. There is an acronym that goes NILIF. Nothing In Life Is Free. Problem is people go around expecting something for free. Think about this. Why do I bother help my wife? Because she is good to me. IOW, there is a return. Why do I get my unwanted things to Goodwill or the Salvation Army? Because there is a return in the form of a Tax Write-off. There is only one reason why people won't throw you under the bus when the time comes. That reason is simply because they are chained to you and will get rolled over by the bus. That is the sad fact of life. The sooner we accept that, the less we get screwed by someone pretending to be your friend.

kknudson · #30 09-25-2009, 01:16 PM

We were sued years ago. Our one dog ran out into the street and scared a women walking down our street.
She claimed (in her case, but not when I checked on her) he tried to bite her, of course he had his favorite toy in his mouth, a 5 gallon bucket lid, so that was a lie.

I checked on her and she was fine, I offered to drive her home, no thanks and she lived about a mile + away.

2 years later, on the Saturday that the statue of limitations expired we were served, they had filed the day before, in the WRONG county.

Court was Tuesday.

We had not heard word one from her prior to that.
Even though they filed in the wrong county they were allowed to move it. She did have to pay for my Attorney (a friend and very expensive attorney at that) who showed up Tuesday for us and argued it was in the wrong county, and filed late.
Our homeowners insurance (ex at that time) paid about 6k. I wanted to fight it, if nothing else on the grounds that my rights had been violated in that she did not notify us earlier, allowing us to prepare a defense, have her check with our doctors etc. No Way, we are just gonna pay.
Oh, and the one sort of witness (he was 800 feet away) was no where to be found anymore. He agreed the dog ran out, but never got within 5 or 10 feet of her.