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#76 08-05-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmugg

We certainly don't want poor people being able to protect themselves.

Last time I checked, no-one was giving away guns or ammo either. I just paid $500 for my daughter to take mandatory driver's training classes. There is a cost to making sure the public is reasonably safe. If someone wants to own a weapon, it's not unreasonable to expect them to go through some steps to verify that they are not a safety risk to the public.

buffa98 · #77 08-05-2010, 05:17 PM

My Opinion(Flame suit on)

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The reason that I carry a handgun is the same reason(in a nutshell) that I have a fire ext in my kitchen. I NEVER want to HAVE to use it for its intended purpose. That being said I do want to be able to know that if I do need to use either of them I wont panic.
That comes from monthly trips to range etc.

But I agree with the opinions of the peolpe here Some folks should not be allowed to own a Slingshot

#78 08-05-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmugg

There used to be plenty of laws to keep people "nobody wants to be armed" from being armed. In some communities, they still exist.

States and counties frequently had "May issue", "Permit to acquire", approval from the local Sheriff, etc. language which were very thinly veiled attempts to keep "those people" from being able to buy guns and defend themselves.

Once you are able to determine who "those people" are, you can see why such Jim Crow tactics did not provide equal protection under the law.

SteveM.

Not what I'm talking about. I have a security clearance that requires me to have periodic background checks, interviews with my associates, psychological screenings, financial investigations, drug screenings, etc. There is nothing subjective about the process, but it is very expensive. For a fraction of the cost, applicants for gun permits could be subjected to a much less rigorous process that would still be an improvement over a simple computer check for felony convictions; the couple $1000 figure was just a guess based on a couple of days of an investigator's time.

glenlloyd · #79 08-05-2010, 05:51 PM

As for checking the fuel for dye, I would anticipate that we'll see more of this kind of thing as states battle with budget shortfalls. I think we'll be surprised at how aggressively states and even municipalities go after people for infractions that five years ago wouldn't have been looked for at all.

Make no mistake, the states are in a world of hurt and although there may be a few dollars from federal govt. it will not bridge the shortfall in any meaningful way. The states and municipalities all spent when times were good and there was nothing in the coffers saved for a rainy day, well now it's raining daily and there just isn't any money.

I personally think that the word has gone out to all state departments that if you're a revenue generator you better start bringing home more bacon. I know in Iowa that fines on all manner of traffic citations went up by a meaningful amount.

steve a

jonbobshinigin · #80 08-05-2010, 07:46 PM

If you ban guns or even make it a tighter screening process for those of us who aquire guns legally, the process for the criminals, the ones we are actually worried about, remain the same.

This is somewhat extreme but...if you were a thief and you read in the news that 4 other thieves got shot, killed, or shot at, wouldn't you take a second to reconsider the plans for that evening?

On the topic of rights, the reason our country was founded is because of rights being infringed upon. Let's face it, we can't just jump ship and start a new country anymore. We must fight for what ours is still supposed to be!

PS - thusfar this post is being dealt with very well and with maturity. Let's keep it up!

duxthe1 · #81 08-05-2010, 08:27 PM

The stop was totally and undoubtedly about money. Most people think that law enforcement is a "public service" That is not the case at all. ALL of law enforcement is a corporation, and that officer pulling over a car to dip the tank is only trying to create revenue for that corporation.

As far as handgun ownership goes, again most people are mis-informed. "Citizens" think that they have constitutional rights. Proudly stating "I know my rights" is all but a guaranteed admission that you don't. Since the US incorporated after the civil war all of the rights you thought you had became privileges, including the "right to bear arms".

Matt L · #82 08-05-2010, 08:33 PM

How about this:

You drive by the cop. He enters your license number in his computer. It returns CCW permit holder owner, and diesel-powered.

He wants to check you out, and there's this handy "crackdown" going on for fuel tax evasion.

I don't know if you go west much, but don't drive into IL with a loaded gun in your car. And I don't mean just Chicago.

mgburg · #83 08-05-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewjtx

I've had many different encounters with police and my weapon. ... The best would be a small town cop that said, "I'm damn proud you're exercising your rights. You drive safely and have a great day." ... The worst would be a TX DPS officer asked me to come back to the back of the car (before asking for ID) and when I handed him both cards, he asked me where my weapon was. Front of pants holster (SmartCarry). He spun me around drew his weapon and order me spread eagle on the car. Reholstered his weapon, then stuck his hand in my pants, removed my weapon and threw it on the floor of the front passenger side. Told me I'd better not ever come out of a car with a weapon on me... He was an ass. What different is that from walking past him at the coffee shop with 24rds on my person? ... I even have two cops in the family. Cops are people too. Some are great, some are complete asshats.

What probably got RECORDED on HIS dashcam was the FACT that he didn't clear up a few things before he asked you out of the car. #1.) He didn't get your license; #2.) He didn't clear you first about whether you were armed or not...this is just for starters.

He was trying to CHA and if he was able to, I'm sure he "dicked" with the recorder in his car to obliterate (sp?) his screwup after he let you go...sorta' like the "Missing 18 Minutes" on those Nixon WH tapes from a few memorable years ago...

I know that if I had been you...while I had the window down, my hands would have been right out in the open for ANY OFFICER to see and I would have said to whoever it was WALKING UP TO MY CAR, "I have a CCP and I want you to be aware of that fact right now. And YES, I do have a weapone in this vehicle." Then I'd let HIM decide how we're going to dance, what tune he wants to dance to and I'll insist that he lead (pun narrowly being avoided here!), I'll follow ANYTHING he says...boots licked and shined...GOT IT!

Two doughnuts, coffee black...GOT IT!

I don't have a CCP yet, but I'm hoping by Nov., this State pulls its HOOIA, and we're able to move back into the common sense lane...hell, let Illinois and their criminals continue to run amok and the State (double-entendre' and pun intended).

After reading these posts, I'm wondering how hard it would be today to purchase and wire in a few pin-hole cameras and feed them to a small, card-style recorder? Have it "tucked" into a small, reachable area under the dash and have the cameras hidden so that under normal circumstances, they're not noticeable?

I may have an upcoming project or three...

Junkman · #84 08-05-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimandsuzy

I understand everyones right to object to unreasonable stops and/or searches but let me tell you what I learned as a long haired teenager and early 20s driver in the 60s. You can state and act on your rights but the cop has the untimate control of the situation. He can impound your vehicle and take you to jail for 24 hours if you make him mad. You might "look like a wanted suspect in some crime" or some other made up excuse but the bottom line is you're going to jail. What I learned is that unless you're willing to do the time and inconvenience, just go along and you'll be on your way shortly. You can then call your lawyer or whatever.

I too lived through the 60s. Perhaps another approach is called for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc

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or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nU9kAd_WU

vstech · #85 08-05-2010, 09:30 PM

Oh, I would never attempt to pull my handgun simply because a criminal asked for my car keys, or my laptops or anything else in my car. my 13 year old daughter was in the back seat on the trip with me and I always carry my handgun for personal protection. carrying all these things may make me a sweeter target for a criminal, and they may decide it's better to kill me than just take my property. I carry because my father was a marksman in the air force, and I've lived on farms and rural communities all my life, and it's just the way I was raised. a firearm is for three things, for skill targeting, to kill to eat, and to kill to protect your life. I would NEVER use my weapon to scare anyone, or to get back at a criminal for taking my property.
but don't even think for a second that I will not protect myself or my family! and I'm not talking about waving the thing around to scare off a threat either.

4x4_Welder · #86 08-05-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Not what I'm talking about. I have a security clearance that requires me to have periodic background checks, interviews with my associates, psychological screenings, ..............

Well, all the people would need to do is see a few of your posts on here and know you're a bit off.
IIRC, the fine is $1000 per gallon of tank capacity, no matter what the level in the tank is. I do believe you get the fine regardless of what the fuel actually is if that strip/tube comes back with anything other than blueish clear diesel fuel.
I'd have to say I would be more leary of a person who said "No, officer, of course I'm not carrying" than one who says "Yes, here is my permit, and I am armed".
Oh, and Craig: I know the anti-gun crowd likes to believe that everyone is just all naturally touchy-feely and wanting to simply lock arms and dance down the street if it wasn't for guns. People are horrible, demented creatures. Those who are somewhat less horrible and demented legally arm themselves to have some sort of defense against the ones who really are sociopaths. Can you find me one country where guns have been banned and violent crimes have dropped? That poster child for banning everything, Great Britain? Anywhere?

#87 08-05-2010, 10:20 PM

I'm not interested in banning guns, the second amendment clearly allows them. However, I would prefer that we make an effort to keep them away from the real crazies. As I understand the current system, anyone without a felony record can buy a gun, and obtaining a CCP isn't much more rigorous (depending where you live). I don't see a problem with requiring a potential gun owner (who is about to spend several $100 to several $1000 anyway) to pay for a meaningful background check. As I said, there are requirements and expenses to obtain a driver's license; why is this any different?

mikemover · #88 08-05-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

well, the cop said I was doing nothing wrong, not speeding or anything, he just pulled me over because they are instigating a new program to pull randomly all diesels on the road.

This entire incident, AND this statement you say was made by the cop, sounds to me like a glaringly blatant violation of the requirement for "probable cause", and clearly violates Constitutional protections from "unlawful search and seizure".

Skid Row Joe · #89 08-05-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Not what I'm talking about.
I have a security clearance that requires me to have periodic background checks, interviews with my associates,
psychological screenings, ..............

LMAO!
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Well, all the people would need to do is see a few of your posts on here and know you're a bit off.

IIRC, the fine is $1000 per gallon of tank capacity, no matter what the level in the tank is. I do believe you get the fine regardless of what the fuel actually is if that strip/tube comes back with anything other than blueish clear diesel fuel.

I'd have to say I would be more leary of a person who said "No, officer, of course I'm not carrying" than one who says "Yes, here is my permit, and I am armed".

Oh, and Craig: I know the anti-gun crowd likes to believe that everyone is just all naturally touchy-feely and wanting to simply lock arms and dance down the street if it wasn't for guns. People are horrible, demented creatures. Those who are somewhat less horrible and demented legally arm themselves to have some sort of defense against the ones who really are sociopaths. Can you find me one country where guns have been banned and violent crimes have dropped? That poster child for banning everything, Great Britain? Anywhere?
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Seriously..........anyone who believes that banning everyone from carrying is going to help make the country a safer place, probably needs a reality check.

funola · #90 08-05-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by winmutt

Never been there before when I didnt deserve it.

What did you do to land in jail?