A full tank of fuel is about 150 lb. so taking this off the 3960 gives you 3810. This is probably within the margin of error of the scale when compared to the 3835.

4880 is the maximum gross weight with full fuel. Subtract 930 lb. for weight capacity and you get 3950. Subtract the fuel and you should get the curb weight (3800). I'm not sure where the 35 lb. disappeared.

The extra 35 lbs...You don't suppose they forgot to include the spare wheel? The wheel "Feels" like it weighs about 35 lbs. It's the only thing I can think of right now.

Thanks, Brian.

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1986 Porsche 951 (944 Turbo) (166000)

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1996 Nissan Pathfinder R50 (201000)

Casey, I think Mauri mentioned the number 500 but I don't know if that was USD or EUR. Given the labor involved, it's probably worth it to buy them pre-fabbed unless you have the skill and a LOT of free time.

mdisav, I had my stock 603 manifolds Jet-Hot (ceramic) coated inside & out, including the trap replacement pipe. See photos below.

Brian, I thought the curb weight (from 1987) was with no passengers and no luggage, but a full tank of fuel. I've never been able to get any confirmation on this though. Beware truck scales, they are designed to weigh tens of thousands of pounds and are nowhere near accurate enough to weigh a car when you want a number within, say, 25lbs of actual. Maybe a recycling place that weighs pickuptruck loads of stuff would have a better scale. This is on my "to do" list, as I want an accurate weight for my car to enter into the AP-22 to generate RWHP numbers. The AP-22 adds two extra calibrations, rolling resistance and Cd, to make the number more accurate than the G-Tech's. (I haven't done the other 2 settings yet - need weight first.) Official weights of the 87 diesel 124 is 3375 sedan and 3670 wagon, per the USA sales brochure.

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I'm also not sure Dave, but, if it was with full fuel, then the 3835 figure would need to come down by about 150 lb. for fuel. This would put the empty weight of the SDL at 3685 lb. I cannot believe that a vehicle this large would weigh this little.

Those manifolds look fantastic. I think that I might do the SD's manifold in the Jet-Hot.

Good questions, Brian. Hopefully someone will be able to get an accurate weight on their car, or find something in print that says what how late 80's curb weight numbers were generate. (Knowing what they do today doesn't help much unless we're sure it was the same 20 years ago - no?)

BTW - what's this about BoneHeadDoctor getting banned? I never saw him post anything objectionable. Any way we can complain to the Powers That Be...?

...stay away from OD, many have entered, some never return--you have been warned!

Long story Dave. He had a different persona over in OD. Many posts that were off-topic and simply designed to cause irritation of other members.

There was a bit of a dustup today and both he and several other members complained to the moderator. The moderator determined that his behavior was unacceptable. Both of the threads that are relevant to the dustup have been eliminated, so no sense in checking out OD looking for the wreckage.

There are very good arguments on both sides of the issue regarding BHD.

You can send a note via PM to Bill Wood with your thoughts. He's probably got about 25 of them by now.

...........some do return.............

I believe the stock turbo for an OM617 (Only on a few year/models) is a variation of the K03. I know the 80's 2.2 or 2.4L Audi 200 TurboDiesel, VW 1.8T, Audi 2.7T use the same turbo so it might be a tad small for our application. A K04 would be the logical step up for us. (See the K03-K04 turbo pictures)

TAP's T4 KKK / Garrett Hybrid turbo for the 20 valve Audi 200 series and 20 valve Audi S4 & S6 models would be pretty cool but still a touch small since it's made for a 1.8T and 2.7TT engines.

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Dave, What improvements did you note once the manifolds were coated?

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99 E300 TURBODIESEL Astral Silver 282K - AMG brakes, suspension, monoblocks, speedo & interior - Full Load Maxed on IP by custom Speed Tuning USA Chip - T3/T4 Garrett - EGR/MAF delete
98 E300 TURBODIESEL Alexandrite Green on black leather 289K
95 E300 DIESEL Green Queen 267K SOLD
84 300D 216k SOLD
87 300D 299K #22 head - intercooler - full load adj. - 8sec 0-60mph - SOLD
76 300D 214K SOLD

Mostly just that they look a lot prettier, and the engine compartment should be a bit coooler now. I couldn't discern any change in power output. Cost is approx $200 to coat all 3 pieces.

Looks like a Cummins manifold...

Also, the US one doesn't look too poor... just has ever so slightly further to travel. That EGR end isn't pretty bud that pipe you wouldn't see me spending big money to replace with a header.

Something like a JetHot 2000 will only promote heat transfer to the turbo with that setup. I had the parts on my WRX done in that manner, far cooler under the hood.

If I could get an extra trap oxidizer replacment pipe you could cut off and weld shut that EGR hole, then coat the pipe. Then put the extra money toward an efficient intercooler and cranking the IP up some.

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'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

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I've considered getting 2- '79 300SD non egr turbo manifolds Jet hoted...to maximise spooling (yeah I know its not a huge ammount) look good and help underhood heat....trying to decide if the price is worth it...I think the intake exhaust pair is $180 to have done....but will vary with sipping at different places. I need to find a way to direct cooler outside air to my open intake filter as 90 degree F seems to be the breaking point with EGT........outside temps are affecting my EGT a large degree at 90..to the worse. I will do a intercooler when I find an aplication I can make work on a W116. I'm not touching my W123 at this time....its running way too sweet to mess with right now. One for the W123 and one for the W116. I am doing a citric acid flush on the W123 and installing a block heater on it soon....I do it from on top the engine...perfect time to put a crud free iintake on the car, a set thats been Jet hotted.

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1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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yeah once you have the intake off of your rig you will see how stupid EGR valves are on diesels. I flushed and brushed mine for 2hrs removing all of the crap.

I drilled and tapped my manifold and put a pipe plug in place of the EGR.

I'll get some pics, I have a digital camera now!!
i gotta wash the benz, its really looking like a $200 piece now

BHD..i hate liberal hippies too.

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I want to swap my intake and exhaust from my 83 with the non-egr setup....I could pull it from my spare engine but a fellow member in the lone star state may be geting me one from a pick and pull.....

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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Section 609 MVAC Certified
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche