617 Sanden style A/C Compressor Mounting Kit For Sale + Installation Instructions - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

NoSparkNeeded · #16 08-19-2012, 06:04 PM

Can the existing hoses be used with this Sanden conversion or must new
ones be made?
I searched for a Sanden 508 on a couple A/C sites, but it seems they want
an application. Does anyone know what cars that compressor came on, to
make searching for a price a bit easier? Ebay has the 508, but I really don't
trust ebay that much.
If I can re-use the hoses and I can find a new compressor for around 150.00 you can put me down for a kit when they come out.

ROLLGUY · #17 08-19-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NoSparkNeeded

Can the existing hoses be used with this Sanden conversion or must new
ones be made?
I searched for a Sanden 508 on a couple A/C sites, but it seems they want
an application. Does anyone know what cars that compressor came on, to
make searching for a price a bit easier? Ebay has the 508, but I really don't
trust ebay that much.
If I can re-use the hoses and I can find a new compressor for around 150.00 you can put me down for a kit when they come out.

Yes new hoses are needed. A/C shops and hose supply shops (Hose Man) can make them for you. You may need to re-use the fittings opposite the compressor (or have new fittings welded on), but the compressor fittings are a stock item for A/C shops. Most speed shops have Sandens (or similar) in stock, or they are available from performance parts websites (Summit, Jegs etc.).

panZZer · #18 08-20-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

Yes new hoses are needed. A/C shops and hose supply shops (Hose Man) can make them for you. You may need to re-use the fittings opposite the compressor (or have new fittings welded on), but the compressor fittings are a stock item for A/C shops. Most speed shops have Sandens (or similar) in stock, or they are available from performance parts websites (Summit, Jegs etc.).

And there are special barrier hoses for r134-- if you dont know the difference a snake oil salesman will getcha on old stock--if they still got " a warehouse full of it--And i gotta move it". r134 blleeds thru the substandard hose.

ROLLGUY · #19 08-20-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

And there are special barrier hoses for r134-- if you dont know the difference a snake oil salesman will getcha on old stock--if they still got " a warehouse full of it--And i gotta move it". r134 blleeds thru the substandard hose.

Yet another reason to replace those OLD hoses!

panZZer · #20 08-20-2012, 06:54 PM

againLaser cutting is much more expensive. For the gen 2 kit, the idler will be deleted, so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce., believe me i understand completely about making stuff and trying tho make the venture worth the while, but i still dont understand??

"Laser cutting is much more expensive. For the gen 2 kit, the idler will be deleted, so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce."

you have now delited the complex little idler bracket and bearing and roller pully,
"so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce."?????

I would not add cad plating there is no reason to build more cost into this product, knowing the target customers-Skinflints- we want as cheap as possible.

charmalu · #21 08-20-2012, 09:36 PM

Skinflints? I was thinking of having it Chrome Plated.

I like Bling.

Charlie

ROLLGUY · #22 08-20-2012, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panZZer

againLaser cutting is much more expensive. For the gen 2 kit, the idler will be deleted, so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce., believe me i understand completely about making stuff and trying tho make the venture worth the while, but i still dont understand??

"Laser cutting is much more expensive. For the gen 2 kit, the idler will be deleted, so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce."

you have now delited the complex little idler bracket and bearing and roller pully,
"so I am thinking it may be about the same cost to produce."?????

I would not add cad plating there is no reason to build more cost into this product, knowing the target customers-Skinflints- we want as cheap as possible.

I guess what I am trying to say is that deleting the idler MAY offset the extra cost of the laser cutting. It is also a little less work for me as well, not having the idler. I also think that the cad plating will be a wash as well compared to me painting all the parts, as I will get them all done in one batch (minimum charge for 1-100 pieces). I was not able to do that with the first batch because there was only 22 pieces total. If the laser cutting and cad plating do end up costing me more, I doubt it will raise the cost of the entire kit more than $20.00. I am also getting 25 or 30 kits made of gen 2 once I am sure there is enough room to swing the compressor in a 123. For sure there is enough room in a 126 & 116, but I have not measured a 123 yet.....Rich

ROLLGUY · #23 08-20-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu

Skinflints? I was thinking of having it Chrome Plated.

I like Bling.

Charlie

When your kit arrives you can strip off the paint and get it chromed. Oh, and don't forget to use one of those polished Sanden's to go with it!! Please take photos!!

charmalu · #24 08-20-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

When your kit arrives you can strip off the paint and get it chromed. Oh, and don't forget to use one of those polished Sanden's to go with it!! Please take photos!!

Next Saturday is the www.good-guys.com car show in Plesanton, Ca. I want to talk to some of the vendors selling AC parts. Lots of Bling at these shows.

My Bro in law is an AC guy, so Iam covered in this area.

Charlie

ROLLGUY · #25 08-28-2012, 12:27 AM

Before installing your plate, please check it for me.
I just talked to Richard (Delivery Valve), and the bracket he got had an issue. When you get yours, insert the long bolt through the sleeves and screw on the idler eccentric. If the back of the eccentric does not touch the square piece of metal all the way around, then I will need to have you send it back, and I will send you a good one. There can be a small gap, but anything over about a 16th of an inch will be too much, and the idler will loosen over time. It seems my fixture was not holding the square piece correctly before they were welded. A few are fine, and you may have gotten a good one. Please let me know. Thanks, Rich

DeliveryValve · #26 08-28-2012, 03:13 AM

Besides the issue.... it looks cool!

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Secondaries · #27 08-30-2012, 05:47 PM

Still waiting for my kit to check it, but I've got a question. I think this was discussed in the other thread but I couldn't find it.

Do you have a place that we can get the plug to plug the compressor wiring into? Instead of having to just splice wires together. Thanks!

ROLLGUY · #28 08-31-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Secondaries

Still waiting for my kit to check it, but I've got a question. I think this was discussed in the other thread but I couldn't find it.

Do you have a place that we can get the plug to plug the compressor wiring into? Instead of having to just splice wires together. Thanks!

You can crimp a bullet connector on the factory wire (+), or make an adapter using male spade terminals that plug into the stock connector.
The - side (brown wire) is not used for the Sanden, only the + (blue) is needed.

ngarover · #29 08-31-2012, 07:46 AM

This is SOOOO cool (forgive the pun)

Now, tell me that I could somehow use a Sanden that comes stock on the Landrover Discovery II.... (3204) Cause I have never seen one fail, and I happen to have 3 of them...

Of course, I'm guessing no as the bolt pattern is totally different from what I can see. But there are so many of these Discovery II's getting parted out that it would be a cheap source for them...

My next question would be if you could figure out a mounting kit that puts the compressor up where the current cruise control is. (removing the cruise control and the mounting block for it) Or maybe on the other side of the engine...

This is due to the 617 being retrofitted into other applications (Toyotas, jeeps, my 95 land rover etc...) Could have quite a little market for adapters there. I personally think that putting it where the CC currently is would be the cleanest option. But have not done all the measurements yet.

t walgamuth · #30 08-31-2012, 08:59 AM

How does the total cost come out using a kit plus the sanded?